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i dont see the clear keycaps... frown.gif i want those! biggrin.gif
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(...)

After that i bought a Cherry G80 POS MX white/clear switch keyboard. This was a keyboard that i did not enjoy at all. However i did buy it used on ebay as they are hard to find new. The mx switches had around 50g force requirement for activation and 80g for bottoming out. I'll be up front here I hated this keyboard the problem here was when the keys are being depressed the switches has a bit of a gritty resistance feel as they are being depressed they didn't feel very linear at all and when you reach activation you had to put a lot more force to bottom out. You may be thinking is this not a good thing, well yes activation point and bottom out force requirement should be a bit far apart if you want to be a quiet typer.

(...)

The first few key presses felt very natural and had the right amount of force behind it. During the typing of this review i have yet to feel finger fatigue so it has been a nice experience. The key depresses are smooth and fairly linear hitting more resistance as you are about to bottom out the key. It is fairly easy in force requirement to reach reaching activation point on key depresses, however just coming from a rubber dome keyboard i find myself often bottoming out instead of quiet typing. If i do take my time i can feel the activation points very clearly, just needs a bit of practice. In comparing them to rubber domes there is not much of a different feel to key depressions as far force requirement that is you do feel the resistances of the spring which allows for quick key rebounds than rubber domes.Transitioning from rubber domes to mx browns should be easy.

Are you kidding or something? Neither MX Clear nor MX Brown are linear switches at all, they are TACTILE. You are misleading in all possible fronts and haven't clearly tried a linear switch in your life. You should get informed before jumping on wrong conclusions because bottoming out presure is IRRELEVANT (and of course it will be probably higher than the activation point, because the first comes from the spring itself whereas the second comes from the plastic of the switch).

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Please, go and inform yourself about force diagrams for Cherry MX switches and then try to understand whats going on.

PS: linear and tactile are night and day. If you mix them together.... rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif
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Many people came from rubber dome which require 70g or more and only actuate at the bottom of the stroke length. Thus converting to a brown switch which have 45g and actuate at middle of the stroke length will take awhile.

TS is probably hammering/bottoming out on BWUS.
Poor keycaps, probably will be worn out soon...
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(...)

After that i bought a Cherry G80 POS MX white/clear switch keyboard. This was a keyboard that i did not enjoy at all. However i did buy it used on ebay as they are hard to find new. The mx switches had around 50g force requirement for activation and 80g for bottoming out. I'll be up front here I hated this keyboard the problem here was when the keys are being depressed the switches has a bit of a gritty resistance feel as they are being depressed they didn't feel very linear at all and when you reach activation you had to put a lot more force to bottom out. You may be thinking is this not a good thing, well yes activation point and bottom out force requirement should be a bit far apart if you want to be a quiet typer.

(...)

The first few key presses felt very natural and had the right amount of force behind it. During the typing of this review i have yet to feel finger fatigue so it has been a nice experience. The key depresses are smooth and fairly linear hitting more resistance as you are about to bottom out the key. It is fairly easy in force requirement to reach reaching activation point on key depresses, however just coming from a rubber dome keyboard i find myself often bottoming out instead of quiet typing. If i do take my time i can feel the activation points very clearly, just needs a bit of practice. In comparing them to rubber domes there is not much of a different feel to key depressions as far force requirement that is you do feel the resistances of the spring which allows for quick key rebounds than rubber domes.Transitioning from rubber domes to mx browns should be easy.

Are you kidding or something? Neither MX Clear nor MX Brown are linear switches at all, they are TACTILE. You are misleading in all possible fronts and haven't clearly tried a linear switch in your life. You should get informed before jumping on wrong conclusions because bottoming out presure is IRRELEVANT (and of course it will be probably higher than the activation point, because the first comes from the spring itself whereas the second comes from the plastic of the switch).

rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif

Please, go and inform yourself about force diagrams for Cherry MX switches and then try to understand whats going on.

PS: linear and tactile are night and day. If you mix them together.... rolleyes.gifrolleyes.gifrolleyes.gif

Ok bro thanks for the clarification however i didn't not ever mention that browns and switches are linear switches. Clears dontt have a nice feel to to key depressions because some keys will require more force then others because some gave back a girtty resistances as keys were being depressed. Sorry if that confused you. However before you go around and start thread bashing on me for putting my own input in state the key depressions of mx browns feel FAIRLY linear. THEY AREN"T LINER SWITCH'S they are light enough that from activation point to bottoming out has little force difference.

However i have re-edited the posting for further clarification satisfy your oh so need to thread bash.
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Many people came from rubber dome which require 70g or more and only actuate at the bottom of the stroke length. Thus converting to a brown switch which have 45g and actuate at middle of the stroke length will take awhile.

TS is probably hammering/bottoming out on BWUS.
Poor keycaps, probably will be worn out soon...

True most rubber dome have you bottom out just to have a key activated. However it is fairly easy not to if you take your time.
Edited by lilraver018 - 12/8/11 at 6:16pm
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and what did razer exactly clean up?
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and what did razer exactly clean up?

They got rid of the gloss smile.gif
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They added proper 6KRO instead of 2KRO.
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Many people came from rubber dome which require 70g or more and only actuate at the bottom of the stroke length. Thus converting to a brown switch which have 45g and actuate at middle of the stroke length will take awhile.
TS is probably hammering/bottoming out on BWUS.
Poor keycaps, probably will be worn out soon...

I got my Stealth a week ago Thursday and by the following Monday I noticed that my typing at work had gotten quieter due to not having to bottom out on the Stealth...of course my keyboard at work is rubber dome so I ended up missing a few keystrokes but I've since gotten used to hitting bottom without mashing the keys.

I've also noticed that my fingers/wrists don't get as fatigued after a day on the board due to the lighter strokes I now use. So in a short 3 days of use, my typing style had changed from the typical rubber dome 'mash' to a lighter controlled style. (I learned how to type on an old non-electric typewriter in high school where you had to use a bit of force. Ya, I know I just dated myself. redface.gif )

I'd heard people say that using a mechanical board is less fatiguing but I didn't believe it...now I do!

Oh, I LOVE this board. It feels solidly built and is a pleasure to type on. The ONLY thing I would change is the font style used to mark the keys. They look way too blocky for my taste.
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Does anyone know if all of the Blackwidow kbs are getting the 6kro redesign?

The two biggest problems I had with the widows were the glossy plastic and the fact that I actually ran into key combos that I couldn't press that I could see using. If all models were 6kro or even 4 I would still be using it. 2 is too low for a $130 keyboard.

The blue switches never bothered me at all. I liked the feel a lot.

I liked the font, macro tools, the rubber feel keys and the adjustable blue backlight of the ultimate.

It's too bad you can't get the stealth versions in retail stores. I'm starting to see that an expensive keyboard is really something you should try out first. You may need to return it.
Edited by jellowiggler - 12/19/11 at 10:17am
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