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Where are you looking at?

Amazon has it for $110 right now. I guess Tiger Direct has the 955 for $120, but that's still a $10 difference.
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I agree with the hypothesis that they're selling because they look good "on paper". But I know that I would much rather buy an FX-8120 than an i5 2500K if my current CPU would break somehow, or if I needed more multi-threaded perfomance (assuming the Phenoms wouldn't be stocked anymore), just because I already have an AM3+ motherboard.

I'd buy an 8120 over a 2500k because the 8120 is faster.

Bulldozer is not a great CPU, but some people make it out to be netburst or something. The 8120 is about the same price as the 2500k (depends on where you're shopping) and is considerably faster in everything except low-res gaming, 3+ GPU gaming, and irrelevant single-threaded benchmarks. Power consumption is a big concern, though, but be fair -- that's mainly GloFo's fault.

The 8150 is somewhat badly priced; I'd shell out the extra $20 or whatever (again, depends on where you're shopping) for a 2600k
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and is considerably faster in everything except low-res gaming, 3+ GPU gaming, and irrelevant single-threaded benchmarks. Power consumption is a big concern, though, but be fair -- that's mainly GloFo's fault.

So, it's as fast as the 2500k as long as the application is GPU limited or one of the many that are single threaded. That's great. It also doesn't matter "whose fault" the power consumption thing is; it's still a problem.
    
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We wouldn't hate on it if it were a good product. Well, I'm sure some would, but I wouldn't.

As explained several times over, the FX CPUs are fine for many people - those building a new PC, those who like OC'ing, those with older CPUs that want to update, etc. The FX CPUs are not inherently "bad", they are just not a big bump up from top of the line model Phenom II CPUs. If you don't have one of those then the FX may be a real nice CPU for you as it runs all apps just fine including games and works particularly well on heavy threading apps.

Bashing the FX CPUs isn't going to change reality. Obviously quite a few people who have bought them are very happy with them and enjoying the increased performance when they OC them as the FX CPU OC's and scales well. You are correct however that some folks will hate on anything AMD no matter what and of course there are many people who do not even understand that the FX CPUs run just fine and in fact is a good CPU. Ignorance truly is bliss for some folks.
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I agree with the hypothesis that they're selling because they look good "on paper". But I know that I would much rather buy an FX-8120 than an i5 2500K if my current CPU would break somehow, or if I needed more multi-threaded perfomance (assuming the Phenoms wouldn't be stocked anymore), just because I already have an AM3+ motherboard.

I'd buy an 8120 over a 2500k because the 8120 is faster.

Bulldozer is not a great CPU, but some people make it out to be netburst or something. The 8120 is about the same price as the 2500k (depends on where you're shopping) and is considerably faster in everything except low-res gaming, 3+ GPU gaming, and irrelevant single-threaded benchmarks. Power consumption is a big concern, though, but be fair -- that's mainly GloFo's fault.

The 8150 is somewhat badly priced; I'd shell out the extra $20 or whatever (again, depends on where you're shopping) for a 2600k

Really ?

i5 2500 looks faster overall than FX-8120 in almost everything according to this review
http://www.legionhardware.com/articles_pages/amd_fx_8150fx_8120fx_6100_and_fx_4170,1.html

It is even faster than FX-8150 in most cases. FX-8120 can't even compete with i5 2500
Edited by ThePath - 12/5/11 at 1:40am
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I'd buy an 8120 over a 2500k because the 8120 is faster.

Funniest thing I've read in days. You actually convinced yourself of that haven't you?
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I'd buy an 8120 over a 2500k because the 8120 is faster.
Bulldozer is not a great CPU, but some people make it out to be netburst or something. The 8120 is about the same price as the 2500k (depends on where you're shopping) and is considerably faster in everything except low-res gaming, 3+ GPU gaming, and irrelevant single-threaded benchmarks. Power consumption is a big concern, though, but be fair -- that's mainly GloFo's fault.
The 8150 is somewhat badly priced; I'd shell out the extra $20 or whatever (again, depends on where you're shopping) for a 2600k

Can you backup your statement with proof please?

2500K vs 8150
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/288?vs=434

If you happen to be a Multi-GPU user, Bulldozer is not for you.
http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/11/03/amd_fx8150_multigpu_gameplay_performance_review/3
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What is very clear though, is that with 3-way SLI, performance was continually better, and noticeable to a large degree, with the Intel 2500K CPU. It seemed to us that the AMD FX-8150 CPU was holding back the performance of 3-way SLI. We've certainly seen this scenario before. When we upgraded from an Intel i7 920 to the i7 2600K, we saw performance increase by as much as 40% with the new CPU with 3-way SLI. It is therefore no surprise that we are seeing performance vary so much and yield better results with the Intel 2500K.

If you are playing CPU intensive games with a Single GPU, sadly Bulldozer is also not for you.
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4955/the-bulldozer-review-amd-fx8150-tested/8

If you use 7-Zip all day long, I will have to agree that Bulldozer is the way to go!
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2nd post and the AMD haters come out of the woodwork, AGAIN. This thread was doomed just because it had BD/AMD in it.
MAYBE it's a good processor and THAT is why it is selling good. Anyone ever think of that outside the normal AMD bashing????????

It's not a good CPU, anyone can see that. However, many cores and higher clock frequency does seem very tempting to people who don't really know what they're buying.

Anyone with actual knowledge in CPUs and the like can see it is a good CPU hampered by a few bad design choices, a bad process and a lack of software optimisation. (The last bit is pretty much true of any new architecture.)

As the process, etc gets better, BD is actually a decent enough chip. If it was a little less costly then it'd be pretty much another Phenom II.
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From what I gather from Interviews...BD is the Future Chip now.
I'll be willing to bet when OS 8 comes out and software and drivers advances, this chip will kill.

Future chip? It performs horribly in today's software. Whether it'll improve with time is irrelevant as there will be better chips by then to replace it.

No, a 386 performs horribly in today's software. I'm willing to bet that most people on OCN wouldn't notice the difference if I swapped their motherboard and CPU out for a BD one.

And on the other hand, most wouldn't notice the difference between a 2500k and a Q6600 either.
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I really think mods should just start banning the idiotic fanboys who just bash something over and over. 99% of the people bashing this cpu have never touched it, yet because it looses in benchmarks, its worthless unless you benchmark every day I bet half of you wouldn't be able to tell the differencbetween a 2600k and bd in everyday use enless someone told you.but you are a fanboy so you are going to disagree and continue to bash something you really know nothing about.

The mods should ban the people that are correct? Right on, kiddo. Right on.

There's a difference between uninformed OCNers making exaggerated statements based off a graph and being correct, actually.

Being correct usually implies you've done actual research beyond looking at the pretty graphs,
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I wish the AMD faithful will just chalk this up to being a very bad CPU and move on... Please don't call me a intel fan either...I have had AMD since the original athlon series... I had a AM2 and two AM3 CPUs since then...I was always happy with amd products cause at the time they gave good performance at a great price
But with BD...the price for it stinks to high heaven not to mention the god awful power draw on it....I wanted BD to succeed but it didn't...thank goodness the llanos are doing well and will keep amd afloat till they can make the BD architechure actually be viable for the price and power it uses...AMD screwed the pooch on this one...let's hope they get it right the second time around

Except it isn't a very bad CPU, a very bad CPU would be the first ever Celeron. They were literally slugs in terms of speed. Bulldozers slightly under where it should be at minimum, oh no, now its very bad! Even though I can practically guarantee that if I swapped out your 2500k for a BD at a lower clock speed, you wouldn't notice a difference.
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and is considerably faster in everything except low-res gaming, 3+ GPU gaming, and irrelevant single-threaded benchmarks. Power consumption is a big concern, though, but be fair -- that's mainly GloFo's fault.

So, it's as fast as the 2500k as long as the application is GPU limited or one of the many that are single threaded. That's great. It also doesn't matter "whose fault" the power consumption thing is; it's still a problem.

It was a problem, the newer the chip you buy the better power consumption is.

And sorry, but I don't know anyone on here that isn't GPU limited in most games, if you game at 1680x1050 or above and it's not an RTS or FSX, you're probably GPU limited.
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Im probably waiting until the demand cools down a bit, MOAR COARES! Honestly, this chip seems great for the price (FX8120) im not suprised, plus its a huge upgrade from most platforms (look at my sig rig) for about 310$ (for me at least, already got 8 gigs of DDR3 chiling).

Really bulldozer is not a bad route to go. I really don't understand why this is suprising? Oh the majjority of people don't listen to a pretentious crowd of computer hardware elitists? Man that's shocking, I don't know what they could possibly be doing with thier lives? headscratch.gif

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The funny thing is with these benchmarks, the difference is so small you'd never realize it while your using your computer.

Honestly, if we ran a blind study, with similar components, one AMD rig, one Intel rig, I highly doubt some would notice a difference, and I don't think they'd be able to guess which platform there using. Obviously there is a 50% chance of guessing correct so results wouldn't really mean anything, but the fact is those are GUESSES because nobody TRULY KNOWS.


Lastly, my x4 still does everything I want it to, and I can STILL max new games, so you can brag about your 2500k's at 5 Ghz, because it's power is wasted for gamers at 1080p, because my age old x4 is still kicking.
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