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I am looking to upgrade my rig bit by bit over the next month or so. I don't upgrade often, maybe every 2-4 years depending on my needs but I would like to be able to at least upgrade my CPU without having to buy a new motherboard during that time, something AMD is good at.

For AMD it's a given that it will be AM3+ build, but I have no clue about Intel and their sockets.

I use my rig for gaming, encoding videos, among other intensive applications (Photoshop, Fireworks etc) with large documents.

Some suggestions would be great.

Thanks
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luckily for you that board will run phenom 2's and even 6 core cpu's with a bios update: http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM2Plus/M3A78T/#CPUS

i personally would just get a phenom 2 quad core if i was keeping that board, you could get the 720 tri core actually and unlock the 4th core and overclock if your motherboard is good for it, would be a very cheap upgrade smile.gif you have the option of the 6 cores though if it matters for your video/photo editing.

Edit: also crossfiring that 4870 should give a nice boost - i crossfired mine not so long ago and did pretty good in todays games smile.gif got a 6950 some weeks back though...
Edited by ET900 - 12/3/11 at 6:40pm
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Originally Posted by Jamar16 View Post

I am looking to upgrade my rig bit by bit over the next month or so. I don't upgrade often, maybe every 2-4 years depending on my needs but I would like to be able to at least upgrade my CPU without having to buy a new motherboard during that time, something AMD is good at.
For AMD it's a given that it will be AM3+ build, but I have no clue about Intel and their sockets.
I use my rig for gaming, encoding videos, among other intensive applications (Photoshop, Fireworks etc) with large documents.
Some suggestions would be great.
Thanks

Being that you use your PC for both gaming and encoding, your best bet is the I7 2600k, if your budget allows it. If it does not, the I5-2500k would definitely be sufficient as well. You would have a decent upgrade path as well, as the LGA 1155 socket will support Ivy Bridge processors next year.

On the AMD side of things, I cant really recommend anything, as for a similar price you could have a processor from intel that is slightly more expensive and performs better. If BD does get better with software patches, or Piledriver is a success, there will be a future on the AM3+ platform. While AM3+ will most certainly be around for at least another couple years, the performance of AMD vs. Intel is not quite there yet.

What is your budget exactly, and will you be overclocking?

I helped someone recently put together a build for their friend with a budget of ~$600 without a hard disk. It turned out that an X4 970 with a 990fx motherboard was only $23 cheaper than an I5 2400 with a Z68 motherboard. For the time being, Intel seems the way to go, both with budget conscious builds, and high end builds.
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It's not just the socket type that you have to worry about. It's also whether or not the chipset and BIOS will support something way down the line. Also, if you're not going to take advantage of a cpu upgrade now with your old board, what makes you think you'll want to next time you're in this exact situation?
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luckily for you that board will run phenom 2's and even 6 core cpu's with a bios update: http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM2Plus/M3A78T/#CPUS
i personally would just get a phenom 2 quad core if i was keeping that board, you could get the 720 tri core actually and unlock the 4th core and overclock if your motherboard is good for it, would be a very cheap upgrade smile.gif you have the option of the 6 cores though if it matters for your video/photo editing.
Edit: also crossfiring that 4870 should give a nice boost - i crossfired mine not so long ago and did pretty good in todays games smile.gif got a 6950 some weeks back though...

True, his motherboard will support up to a 140 watt cpu, however he would be really stressing his board with any kind of overclock on a higher end quad or hex. You can easily exceed 140w with an x4 970, let alone an x6 1100t. I believe that if he were to go with an AMD cpu, a newer, more robust motherboard should be purchased in addition to the cpu.
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luckily for you that board will run phenom 2's and even 6 core cpu's with a bios update: http://www.asus.com/Motherboards/AMD_AM2Plus/M3A78T/#CPUS
i personally would just get a phenom 2 quad core if i was keeping that board, you could get the 720 tri core actually and unlock the 4th core and overclock if your motherboard is good for it, would be a very cheap upgrade smile.gif you have the option of the 6 cores though if it matters for your video/photo editing.
Edit: also crossfiring that 4870 should give a nice boost - i crossfired mine not so long ago and did pretty good in todays games smile.gif got a 6950 some weeks back though...

It supports the Phenom II X6 thumb.gif... I found out a month or two ago. I wana go AM3+ because DDR3 Ram is so cheap and would want to go up to 16GB if not more. Yea 4870 crossfire came to mind still thinking about it but not a priority right now as I would use this hard ware for a media center or give it to my dad or bro. So would get a 6950/70 or a 7000 series card.

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Being that you use your PC for both gaming and encoding, your best bet is the I7 2600k, if your budget allows it. If it does not, the I5-2500k would definitely be sufficient as well. You would have a decent upgrade path as well, as the LGA 1155 socket will support Ivy Bridge processors next year.
On the AMD side of things, I cant really recommend anything, as for a similar price you could have a processor from intel that is slightly more expensive and performs better. If BD does get better with software patches, or Piledriver is a success, there will be a future on the AM3+ platform. While AM3+ will most certainly be around for at least another couple years, the performance of AMD vs. Intel is not quite there yet.
What is your budget exactly, and will you be overclocking?
I helped someone recently put together a build for their friend with a budget of ~$600 without a hard disk. It turned out that an X4 970 with a 990fx motherboard was only $23 cheaper than an I5 2400 with a Z68 motherboard. For the time being, Intel seems the way to go, both with budget conscious builds, and high end builds.


Yea I agree... Hence the reason I am moving bit by bit. I am looking to get 16gb of ram at least with a motherboard and CPU under $250-$300, I will be picking up the ram next week or so, so that leaves me with just the motherboard and CPU. I maybe able to extend the budget seeing that I am buying a bit at a time. What are some good mobos?

Yea definitely will be overclocking as I have a pretty good cooler and case for that purpose with great airflow.

I was thinking about the i7 2500k/ i7 2600k but I wasn't sure about the upgrade path of the socket. But seeing now that Ivy bridge will support the LGA 1155 it sounds as a great option. AMD shot themselves in the foot with the first batch of BD CPUs so I am weary of it. I am not willing to go further than the Phenom II x6 1090T/1100T with AMD right now until I see their refresh of BD or Piledriver.
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It's not just the socket type that you have to worry about. It's also whether or not the chipset and BIOS will support something way down the line. Also, if you're not going to take advantage of a cpu upgrade now with your old board, what makes you think you'll want to next time you're in this exact situation?

Well it just depends on the board I would have at that point in time and if I have the cash on hand to do so. If i have the cash on hand I would just do a full upgrade.
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True, his motherboard will support up to a 140 watt cpu, however he would be really stressing his board with any kind of overclock on a higher end quad or hex. You can easily exceed 140w with an x4 970, let alone an x6 1100t. I believe that if he were to go with an AMD cpu, a newer, more robust motherboard should be purchased in addition to the cpu.

This board is pretty tough, pushing a 140w Phenom 9950 at voltages up to 1.55v for almost 5 years. But yea I would definitely be upgrading the board as I want to move to DDR3 as 16GB & up of DDR3 is way Cheaper than DDR2. I would be moving to a 990FX board if i do go AMD.
Edited by Jamar16 - 12/3/11 at 9:59pm
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True, his motherboard will support up to a 140 watt cpu, however he would be really stressing his board with any kind of overclock on a higher end quad or hex. You can easily exceed 140w with an x4 970, let alone an x6 1100t. I believe that if he were to go with an AMD cpu, a newer, more robust motherboard should be purchased in addition to the cpu.

i would definitely recommend him getting an intel cpu and saying goodbye to amd junk to, but i think what i suggested was good just for an easy cheap upgrade.

@jamar16 if you're thinking about buying a high end 6/7 series graphics then you really need to get an intel cpu to or you are pretty much wasting your time. dont even bother upgrading to another amd cpu unless you just want a cheap upgrade and are just gonna crossfire that 4870 instead of getting a nice 6/7 series card.
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^ this, With out an upgrade of you GRFX card, you could easily continue on with AMD. In the case that you are going to go to a 6 or 7 series card, You run the chance of bottlenecking with 2 cards.
I just went intel (1ST gen i7) and love it. It really sux what went down with BD for AMD, but it was just enough for me to to jump the 6yr ship of AMD chips.
I would personally go with the 2500k or 2600k. Huge over clocks and solid performance at a real good deal, IMHO.
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yeh 2500k is my next cpu for sure, and with prices slowly dropping they are becoming very good value for money. for the same price, or even more - amd just cant compare.
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i would definitely recommend him getting an intel cpu and saying goodbye to amd junk to, but i think what i suggested was good just for an easy cheap upgrade.
@jamar16 if you're thinking about buying a high end 6/7 series graphics then you really need to get an intel cpu to or you are pretty much wasting your time. dont even bother upgrading to another amd cpu unless you just want a cheap upgrade and are just gonna crossfire that 4870 instead of getting a nice 6/7 series card.

Yea, I definitely want to ditch this DDR2 setup and move to DDR3. I know BD is definitely a flop well at least for the first batch, which is definitely behind the 2500k and 2600k so far in many things.
What I need now though is a great motherboard for Intel that would provide some good overclocking results while allow good support for Ivy Bridge seeing that it supports the 1155 socket.
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^ this, With out an upgrade of you GRFX card, you could easily continue on with AMD. In the case that you are going to go to a 6 or 7 series card, You run the chance of bottlenecking with 2 cards.
I just went intel (1ST gen i7) and love it. It really sux what went down with BD for AMD, but it was just enough for me to to jump the 6yr ship of AMD chips.
I would personally go with the 2500k or 2600k. Huge over clocks and solid performance at a real good deal, IMHO.

Yea I would only crossfire with the 4870... but if I go with the 6 or 7 series card I more than likely wouldn't crossfire those cards. But nonetheless I would still have too buy a whole new platform as I want to move to DDR3. So it comes down which platform gives the best bang for the money now (Seemingly Intel) and at the same time provides longevity and upgradability (such as AM3+ with Phenom II x6 and BD, or Intel LGA 1155 with the 2500k/2600k and Ivy Bridge)
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yeh 2500k is my next cpu for sure, and with prices slowly dropping they are becoming very good value for money. for the same price, or even more - amd just cant compare.

Yea I agree... Microcenter has some real nice prices for the 2500k.... biggrin.gif:thumb:



I just need a kick*** mobo to go with on of those CPUs
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