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Has anyone here tried using a SSD in a netbook?
I'm considering buying another 64GB M4 for my Acer Aspire D255.
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Originally Posted by Kieran View Post

Has anyone here tried using a SSD in a netbook?
I'm considering buying another 64GB M4 for my Acer Aspire D255.

No!, That is unheard of!!! lol

Yea, i did...I used a Kingston v100 and it was still slow, though i think the drive is bad...
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Well, tablets already have ssd's don't they?
I recently bought an Acer Iconia W500 which has a Sandisk SSD P4 32G in it.
I wonder if the normal optimizations we have been talking about here are just as relevant, of course there is no IDE hard drive to make use of, but what about a micro SD instead!
     
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Tablets also have their own custom OS so idk if you can do any optimizations lol.
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Did any of you install Intel RST software? Today I removed it due there was an error popping up at start-up and on the next several reboot time dramatically reduced. I think the RST has been slowing down my SSD without realizing it.

 
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Did any of you install Intel RST software? Today I removed it due there was an error popping up at start-up and on the next several reboot time dramatically reduced. I think the RST has been slowing down my SSD without realizing it.

I am running with it installed right now, I am not having a single issue. Also I have a SSD caching my storage drive and it boots up fine and I have no errors.
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Tablets also have their own custom OS so idk if you can do any optimizations lol.

Not so these days Sean! This Acer comes with Win 7 Home Premium installed , and that's easy enough to replace with the Win 8 CP which is what I have running here!

Have a look here … http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/ipad-and-tablets/acer-iconia-tab-w500-review-50002766/
And here … http://www.microsoftnow.com/2011/09/how-to-install-windows-8-on-acer-iconia-tab-w500.html

It works really well, win 8 really is a joy to use like this!!

Not so sure about the SSD optimizing though , any thoughts folks?
     
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Tablets also have their own custom OS so idk if you can do any optimizations lol.

Not so these days Sean! This Acer comes with Win 7 Home Premium installed , and that's easy enough to replace with the Win 8 CP which is what I have running here!

Have a look here … http://reviews.cnet.co.uk/ipad-and-tablets/acer-iconia-tab-w500-review-50002766/
And here … http://www.microsoftnow.com/2011/09/how-to-install-windows-8-on-acer-iconia-tab-w500.html

It works really well, win 8 really is a joy to use like this!!

Not so sure about the SSD optimizing though , any thoughts folks?

For windows 7 go ahead and try some.
For Windows 8 I have no idea atm, I am currently starting my Windows 8 install and optimization guide. I have no idea what is what with Windows 8. lol Soon however I will.
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Try to refrain from the Marvell ports as they are not that good, I never recommend using them. They also usually give lower 4k reads and writes as well which affect the OS the most. They can cause system instability such as freezing/stuttering and longer boot times when enabled because it is a 3rd party addon, has a limited bandwidth of ~or below 400MB/s for both of the ports total (even in RAID 0 while the SATA 3Gb/s ports can reach higher speeds), higher latencies, and from what I have found still do not support TRIM.
Edit from Tator Tot: They make a SATA 6Gb/s chip that does now support TRIM, but as far as I know, all of the boards out right now all use the old "laggy" controller. (the 9123 & 9128 are what most boards have on them)
Here is the PDF for 88SE91XX Controllers: http://www.marvell.com/storage/system-solutions/assets/Marvell-88SE91XX-Product-Brief.pdf
Only the 88SE9130, 88SE9220, 88SE9230 series Marvell controllers support TRIM. (The 88SE9130 is still to be avoided though as it will most likely have the stuttering issue, as it's still based on the older 91xx designs.)
Page 5 here: http://www.marvell.com/storage/system-solutions/sata-controllers/assets/Marvell-HyperDuo-Technology-Brief.pdf
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Note: Inbox drivers enable users to take advantage of OS commands like TRIM to extend the life of SSDs for
maximum durability.
More info on the 88SE92XX series Marvell controllers here: http://www.marvell.com/storage/system-solutions/assets/Marvell-88SE92xx-Product-Brief.pdf
Intel vs. AMD SATA:
Most of the time SSDs will deliver higher scores in benchmarks on Intel systems than on AMD systems. One thing to remember when comparing scores is to make sure the system you are comparing is similar to yours.

Hi Sean, I've read your SSD guide with great interest and got a better understanding of how they work....lots of great info! :-)

However(and the reason why I registered on this board), as a new SSD owner(bought an 240GB Intel R520 just recently) I got worried after reading your comments about the Marvell controllers support for Trim. As I use an Asus X58 motherboard featuring an Marvell 88SE9123 for Sata3 support, which I'm using.
I was considering throwing out my mainboard after reading your remarks about the compatibility issues and the no trim support....very discouraging info on the Marvells! ;-)
However, decided to give it a try and find some more info on the Marvell trim issue and did found some more info. According to pages such as: http://www.behardware.com/news/11249/trim-with-amd-marvell-ahci-drivers.html the lacking Trim on Marvell controllers, has ben solved with new software drivers. Both the Marvell(if you are using newer/latest I suppose) and the standard MS driver, should be all good with Trim support today.

And as a help for others reading this, latest Marvell driver/firmware can be obtained here: http://www.station-drivers.com/page/marvell.htm (scroll down to buttom for 88SE91XX section). Have successfully flashed my own mainboard with the latest firmware from that page and seems to be still working.....but no remarks on performance, as it was done before benchmarking. So, I probably wouldn't recommend doing it, as it's both troublesome(dos booting)and might corrupt the controller instead and what not....just a side remark! ;-)

I also did encounter some problems when using the 2 latest marvel drivers(only tried those) from that page...the Intel SSD Toolbox was suddenly reporting issues getting SMART data from drive and therefore de-activated the smart info. And using HD Tune Pro 5.00(trial edition) there seems to be a performance degrade when using the Marvell's instead of the MS standard one(see attachment)
01-april-2012_20-55(benchmark - std driver).png 130k .png file and 01-april-2012_20-44(benchmark - marvell).png 135k .png file So I obviously reverted back to using the MS one! :-)

So, what I'm getting into....are you really sure the Marvell 91XX series doesn't support Trim, as I can't find any info that supports it? ....but sure, I also can't find much about if it does, as not much info is available it seems. The few test I've run seems to indicate Trim is working(running the command fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify and returning with a "0" ) what else can I do?

And what are your thoughs on my findings? :-) If you agree on the Trim support thing....maybe you should consider updating your post with the Marvell info, so that people don't throw out good money, like I was about to, when reading your post! ;-)
Edited by TrimMarvell - 4/9/12 at 7:28am
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Hi Sean, I've read your SSD guide with great interest and got a better understanding of how they work....lots of great info! :-)

However(and the reason why I registered on this board), as a new SSD owner(bought an 240GB Intel R520 just recently) I got worried after reading your comments about the Marvell controllers support for Trim. As I use an Asus X58 motherboard featuring an Marvell 88SE9123 for Sata3 support, which I'm using.
I was considering throwing out my mainboard after reading your remarks about the compatibility issues and the no trim support....very discouraging info on the Marvells! ;-)
I don't see how TRIM support would make you want to throw out your board...
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However, decided to give it a try and find some more info on the Marvell trim issue and did found some more info. According to pages such as: http://www.behardware.com/news/11249/trim-with-amd-marvell-ahci-drivers.html the lacking Trim on Marvell controllers, has ben solved with new software drivers. Both the Marvell(if you are using newer/latest I suppose) and the standard MS driver, should be all good with Trim support today.
I have seen newer examples of testing which prove that TRIM is not working. If you email Marvell and get a response back saying TRIM does work feel free to let me know. smile.gif
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And as a help for others reading this, latest Marvell driver/firmware can be obtained here: http://www.station-drivers.com/page/marvell.htm (scroll down to buttom for 88SE91XX section). Have successfully flashed my own mainboard with the latest firmware from that page and seems to be still working.....but no remarks on performance, as it was done before benchmarking. So, I probably wouldn't recommend doing it, as it's both troublesome(dos booting)and might corrupt the controller instead and what not....just a side remark! ;-)

I also did encounter some problems when using the 2 latest marvel drivers(only tried those) from that page...the Intel SSD Toolbox was suddenly reporting issues getting SMART data from drive and therefore de-activated the smart info. And using HD Tune Pro 5.00(trial edition) there seems to be a performance degrade when using the Marvell's instead of the MS standard one(see attachment)
01-april-2012_20-55(benchmark - std driver).png 130k .png file and 01-april-2012_20-44(benchmark - marvell).png 135k .png file So I obviously reverted back to using the MS one! :-)
As for the SMART issues you should use the Intel controller and see if that fixes it.

HDTune is not a testing program for SSDs. You should use AS SSD.
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So, what I'm getting into....are you really sure the Marvell 91XX series doesn't support Trim, as I can't find any info that supports it? ....but sure, I also can't find much about if it does, as not much info is available it seems. The few test I've run seems to indicate Trim is working(running the command fsutil behavior query DisableDeleteNotify and returning with a "0" ) what else can I do?
All that command does is tell you if the TRIM command is being sent, it does not tell you if the driver/controller is actually passing it through to the SSD.
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And what are your thoughs on my findings? :-) If you agree on the Trim support thing....maybe you should consider updating your post with the Marvell info, so that people don't throw out good money, like I was about to, when reading your post! ;-)
I'll update it when there is proof that TRIM is supported from Marvell. And the TRIM support is not the only issue from the Marvell controller.

And the throwing out good money...I still don't see how TRIM support on a crappy third party SATA chip ruins a motherboard.
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