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Lo' again! :-)

1. Well, if I'm to get Sata3 speeds from my sata 3 SSD drive....I would need to use my Sata3 controller, no? ;-P The X58 boards offers only Sata3 as an add-on option via Marvell. This is what I meant about the throwing out the mainboard...as a figure of speech! ;-) Still a bit too expensive to actually throw out....would at worst, move it to my older non-ssd system! And look for a X79/Z68 based system.

2. Great....got any links? :-) Cause I'm having difficulties finding any solid information. But I actually took your advice, and threw a couple questions at Marvell's support team. But reading their policies, it would seem, even if I get to extract the info from them...it's probably under NDA and then can't even tell you, heh! What a joke....if this is the way they choose to deal with it.

3. Yeah, I could consider the Intel controller, but then I would get lower speeds, no(SATA2vsSATA3)? I also could just use the MS standard AHCI driver and then no SMART issues either! :-) Or any others for that matter....haven't got any serious issues on my setup...'cept for my worries about getting issues with faster wear, because of lacking trim support. That, and the fact I'm getting lower SSD speeds using an Marvell vs one of the newer Sata3 controllers from other manufabs. like Intel.

I used HD Tune, cause I haven't done any HDD benching the last 13 years and haven't really payed much attention to the HDD bench software segment as a result....just wanted something to test with fast, that was free....and could reveal a difference of the drivers used....and so my searching just happened to land on that program. But your recommendation of AS-SSD is noted! :-) Will run a couple benches with the two drivers...and write back my results if they are significantly different from each other! :-)

4. Hence why I asked, if I could test for a working trim enviroment in more/other ways? ;-)

5. Well, I hope not to get issues from using the Marvell....cept from running the SSD drive at lower speeds than advertised....but this I know will get better in the future, when upgrading to better/faster hardware! :-) But I will not accept any instability and would prefer a working trim function + maximum speeds...so this interests me! :-)

Edit: Ran AS-SSD and same result as with HD Tune....the Marvel driver underperforms quite a lot...especially at seq reading.

as-ssd-bench INTEL SSDSC2CW24 09-04-2012 21-24-59(using STD MS driver).png 38k .png file and the marvell as-ssd-bench INTEL SS DSC2CW2 09-04-2012 23-16-51(using Marvell driver).png 38k .png file

Got SMART data collection in Intels Toolbox working with the marvel driver....did a manual install this time(used the *.exe install feature last time). But still can't use the Trim feature or "Intel SSD optimizer" function as Intel calls it, using the Marvel driver.

And btw. just noticed Intel's Z77 boards is being reviewed: http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/msi_gigabyte_z77/17.htm

I wonder if they bring any increases in SSD speed! :-)
Edited by TrimMarvell - 4/9/12 at 3:02pm
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For Windows 8 I have no idea atm, I am currently starting my Windows 8 install and optimization guide. I have no idea what is what with Windows 8. lol Soon however I will.

Yeah , I tried a few things with mixed results!

moved all temp files to micro sd card .. (2G card at the mo ... ) .. that went OK

I also tried to move IE cache files ... that wouldn't work , I got some message about 'not enough room for downloaded content'
I also couldn't move the windows indexing location either ... the micro SD cards not even listed.

The other thing I notice with this Sandisk SSD P4 is that it doesn't seem to like benchmarking much ... AS SSD starts but locks up, HWInfo starts but then stops!
SSDLife works though ... and it scores 6.6 on the WEI.

I'll carry on tweaking though and see how we go!
     
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Had to share this in case anyone was waiting, or is currently looking, to buy a SSD.

I just got an AWESOME deal on the Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 240GB. How does a Tier 1 drive for UNDER $1 per GB sound? I thought it was a price mistake at first because the regular, non deluxe version sells at just under this same price.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226226

I couldn't hit buy fast enough. Hope others are able to get in on the deal before it sells out.
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hi everyone. I need a confirmation. If I use 2xHDD RAID0 can I use SSD caching with that option? Do they need to be on the same controller?
for example If I get Extreme4 gen3 or GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 and stick 2xhdd to SATA2 ports and use it in RAID0 can I use SSD (for caching) that I connect to SATA3 controller?
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There are better drives for the price.
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Originally Posted by TrimMarvell View Post

Lo' again! :-)

1. Well, if I'm to get Sata3 speeds from my sata 3 SSD drive....I would need to use my Sata3 controller, no? ;-P The X58 boards offers only Sata3 as an add-on option via Marvell. This is what I meant about the throwing out the mainboard...as a figure of speech! ;-) Still a bit too expensive to actually throw out....would at worst, move it to my older non-ssd system! And look for a X79/Z68 based system.
You can use the SATA 2 connection fine, that is what I did with my x58 build, it was better than teh Marvell port for me.
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2. Great....got any links? :-) Cause I'm having difficulties finding any solid information. But I actually took your advice, and threw a couple questions at Marvell's support team. But reading their policies, it would seem, even if I get to extract the info from them...it's probably under NDA and then can't even tell you, heh! What a joke....if this is the way they choose to deal with it.

I'll have to search them, look on the crucial forums for starters.
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3. Yeah, I could consider the Intel controller, but then I would get lower speeds, no(SATA2vsSATA3)? I also could just use the MS standard AHCI driver and then no SMART issues either! :-) Or any others for that matter....haven't got any serious issues on my setup...'cept for my worries about getting issues with faster wear, because of lacking trim support. That, and the fact I'm getting lower SSD speeds using an Marvell vs one of the newer Sata3 controllers from other manufabs. like Intel.

Test it I had faster random performance with the Intel controller.
Quote:
I used HD Tune, cause I haven't done any HDD benching the last 13 years and haven't really payed much attention to the HDD bench software segment as a result....just wanted something to test with fast, that was free....and could reveal a difference of the drivers used....and so my searching just happened to land on that program. But your recommendation of AS-SSD is noted! :-) Will run a couple benches with the two drivers...and write back my results if they are significantly different from each other! :-)

4. Hence why I asked, if I could test for a working trim enviroment in more/other ways? ;-)
I haven't really tried but look it up. I figure do a ton of writes then erase then trim should start, I read the HDD activity light will be solid a little after you delete everything.
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5. Well, I hope not to get issues from using the Marvell....cept from running the SSD drive at lower speeds than advertised....but this I know will get better in the future, when upgrading to better/faster hardware! :-) But I will not accept any instability and would prefer a working trim function + maximum speeds...so this interests me! :-)

Edit: Ran AS-SSD and same result as with HD Tune....the Marvel driver underperforms quite a lot...especially at seq reading.

as-ssd-bench INTEL SSDSC2CW24 09-04-2012 21-24-59(using STD MS driver).png 38k .png file and the marvell as-ssd-bench INTEL SS DSC2CW2 09-04-2012 23-16-51(using Marvell driver).png 38k .png file

Got SMART data collection in Intels Toolbox working with the marvel driver....did a manual install this time(used the *.exe install feature last time). But still can't use the Trim feature or "Intel SSD optimizer" function as Intel calls it, using the Marvel driver.

weirdsmiley.gif
Quote:
And btw. just noticed Intel's Z77 boards is being reviewed: http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/msi_gigabyte_z77/17.htm

I wonder if they bring any increases in SSD speed! :-)
I doubt. Intel chipsets already are the best native controller.
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For Windows 8 I have no idea atm, I am currently starting my Windows 8 install and optimization guide. I have no idea what is what with Windows 8. lol Soon however I will.

Yeah , I tried a few things with mixed results!

moved all temp files to micro sd card .. (2G card at the mo ... ) .. that went OK

I also tried to move IE cache files ... that wouldn't work , I got some message about 'not enough room for downloaded content'
I also couldn't move the windows indexing location either ... the micro SD cards not even listed.

The other thing I notice with this Sandisk SSD P4 is that it doesn't seem to like benchmarking much ... AS SSD starts but locks up, HWInfo starts but then stops!
SSDLife works though ... and it scores 6.6 on the WEI.

I'll carry on tweaking though and see how we go!

I have a optimization guide now: http://www.overclock.net/t/1240779/seans-windows-8-install-optimization-guide-for-ssds-hdds
Quote:
Originally Posted by Warrior1986 View Post

Had to share this in case anyone was waiting, or is currently looking, to buy a SSD.

I just got an AWESOME deal on the Mushkin Chronos Deluxe 240GB. How does a Tier 1 drive for UNDER $1 per GB sound? I thought it was a price mistake at first because the regular, non deluxe version sells at just under this same price.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226226

I couldn't hit buy fast enough. Hope others are able to get in on the deal before it sells out.

Nice
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sooo just to verify....is Vertex 4 the new King (assuming no major bugs)?? I'm buying soon...256gb....

Corsair Performance Pro had me for a long time.....
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sooo just to verify....is Vertex 4 the new King (assuming no major bugs)?? I'm buying soon...256gb....

Corsair Performance Pro had me for a long time.....

IDK, does pretty good...they are all so similar now that I can't really say there is a best lol. I would rather Corsair as tech support than OCZ tho. biggrin.gif
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hi everyone. I need a confirmation. If I use 2xHDD RAID0 can I use SSD caching with that option? Do they need to be on the same controller?
for example If I get Extreme4 gen3 or GA-Z68X-UD3H-B3 and stick 2xhdd to SATA2 ports and use it in RAID0 can I use SSD (for caching) that I connect to SATA3 controller?
thanks.

hmmm, I am not sure.
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Hi Sean,
Noob here. I just got my M4 64GB today. As you can notice, I created my account today. I had created the account with only one intention, and it is to Thank you for the write up. That's a great work dude.

I am still learning the basics about SSDs. But I got a question when I was going through the SSD basics, referring to this lines
"One thing to notice is that with most 60/64GB SSDs is that their 120/128GB counterparts usually have twice the lifespan."

why is the lifespan based on capacity of the SSD, isn't it should be based on the avaliable empty space?

Appreciate your help.
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