Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Mice › What mouse? Without Prediction/Acceleration?
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

What mouse? Without Prediction/Acceleration? - Page 2

post #11 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Skylit View Post

The only problem with intellimice is the negative accel past 60~ inches per sec.
Tracking quality is among the best for picture based sensor snapping.
@ OP Zowie EC2 has moderate amounts of correction. Accel shouldn't be apparent unless you enable it yourself.
All pic based sensors technically have a degree of correction. ;p Turning off would be setting the algorithm to low ;D
Kinda wish Avago went back and developed newer firmwares for their older sensors. They would be a lot more appealing to gamers seeking a choice.

It's quite disappointing that such a large majority of mice nowadays aren't made to have "flawless" tracking, great ergonomics, and simple yet effective designs, but instead to appeal to ignorant consumers who want over 9000 DPI, 10 pounds of adjustable weights, and buttons for things like ACCURACY MODE! Mouse companies, I am disappoint. On a side note, I only know of 1 player in competitive cod off the top of my head (TCM FrosteR) who might surpass the perfect control speed of the WMO/IMO 1.1/3.0 with their .9 sens and 400 dpi. I'd say the vast majority of people are mid sens players, like me for example with my ~30 cm/360.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i5-2500K ASUS P8Z68-V PRO EVGA 560 Ti G.SKILL Ripjaws 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD Caviar Black Crucial M4 HP 1270I 24X SATA Multiformat DVD Writer CM Hyper212+ 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win7 Professional x64 SP1  BenQ XL2420T Steelseries 6GV2 Thermaltake Toughpower 850w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
CM HAF-X Logitech G400 Puretrak Talent Asus Xonar Essence STX w/ LME49720HA-TO99 
Audio
AKG K 701 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i5-2500K ASUS P8Z68-V PRO EVGA 560 Ti G.SKILL Ripjaws 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD Caviar Black Crucial M4 HP 1270I 24X SATA Multiformat DVD Writer CM Hyper212+ 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win7 Professional x64 SP1  BenQ XL2420T Steelseries 6GV2 Thermaltake Toughpower 850w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
CM HAF-X Logitech G400 Puretrak Talent Asus Xonar Essence STX w/ LME49720HA-TO99 
Audio
AKG K 701 
  hide details  
Reply
post #12 of 26
It's simply marketing and consumer confusion. Somehow DPI = sensitivity and DPI = precision in the consumer's mind. This isn't accurate in any way, yet touting bigger numbers on your mice is a good marketing strategy.

To the OP though, I don't think he can do much better than his EC2. IME 3.0 and DA might be marginally better out of box, but everything on them is of much poorer quality. I'd take a little prediction for no-accel and lasting construction.
post #13 of 26
Pyroh, i pass the perfect control on my ime 3.0 all the time (500hz), with 37cm/360, and its still the best mouse for me, not only because of the sensor, but also the shape, sure the scrollbug is hella annoying, but least thats fixable, which i did :]

Wish they would release a 3.0 with updated materials, same or less weight, same shape, improved sensor to get rid of the neg accel, while keeping the option to have prediction on or off, and low lod =\
post #14 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyroh View Post

It's quite disappointing that such a large majority of mice nowadays aren't made to have "flawless" tracking, great ergonomics, and simple yet effective designs, but instead to appeal to ignorant consumers who want over 9000 DPI, 10 pounds of adjustable weights, and buttons for things like ACCURACY MODE! Mouse companies, I am disappoint. On a side note, I only know of 1 player in competitive cod off the top of my head (TCM FrosteR) who might surpass the perfect control speed of the WMO/IMO 1.1/3.0 with their .9 sens and 400 dpi. I'd say the vast majority of people are mid sens players, like me for example with my ~30 cm/360.

Man, you took the words right out of my mouth (It must have been while you where kissing me). I'm tired of watching people say "this mouse is better, it has more dpi". The end of it is, people defend (most of them), the mouse they have. I have a DA, and I will fight for ir, because it has been a great mouse.

Edit: Oh my god. THE ACCURACY BUTTON. People that buy a mouse because of an accuracy button should be deprived of electricity.
Edited by Sony Oengui - 12/6/11 at 7:01am
My System
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X6 1090t GA 880GM USB3.0 Rev 1.0 MSI R6850 Cyclone PE OC Kingston 2x4GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
OCZ Vertex4 128GB + 2x500GB + 1TB LG Combo W7 Professional 64 bit LG E2341 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair K60 CM Extreme Power Plus 500w CM 690II Razer DeathAdder 3.5G 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
Razer Goliathus Control Large Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio SteelSeries Siberia v2 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(15 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Phenom II X6 1090t GA 880GM USB3.0 Rev 1.0 MSI R6850 Cyclone PE OC Kingston 2x4GB 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
OCZ Vertex4 128GB + 2x500GB + 1TB LG Combo W7 Professional 64 bit LG E2341 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
Corsair K60 CM Extreme Power Plus 500w CM 690II Razer DeathAdder 3.5G 
Mouse PadAudioAudio
Razer Goliathus Control Large Creative Sound Blaster X-Fi Xtreme Audio SteelSeries Siberia v2 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15 of 26
the fact is that there isn't a flawless sensor in he market, plus there is a ridicolous ammount of prediction in the wmo/1mo sensor, it isn't noticiable at all but it is present. The same applies to 3G deathadder sensor, that is know as accel free: it has a very small ammount of accel, but it isn't detctable by human. i would say that the sensor that tracks better is the 3G optical found in DA, but it has high LOD.
groan
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 750 Asus p7p55d-pro hd 4890 Vapor-x corsair 4Gb ddr3 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Western Digital 500Gb CRT all the life, secondary wide LCD shit logitech ultraflat, G15 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair 650W antec five hundred ime 3.0, DA 3.5g, Puretrak valor[preordered] puretrak talent, destrucktro[destructed], QCK+ 
  hide details  
Reply
groan
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 750 Asus p7p55d-pro hd 4890 Vapor-x corsair 4Gb ddr3 
Hard DriveOSMonitorKeyboard
Western Digital 500Gb CRT all the life, secondary wide LCD shit logitech ultraflat, G15 
PowerCaseMouseMouse Pad
Corsair 650W antec five hundred ime 3.0, DA 3.5g, Puretrak valor[preordered] puretrak talent, destrucktro[destructed], QCK+ 
  hide details  
Reply
post #16 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by czerro View Post

It's simply marketing and consumer confusion. Somehow DPI = sensitivity and DPI = precision in the consumer's mind. This isn't accurate in any way, yet touting bigger numbers on your mice is a good marketing strategy.
To the OP though, I don't think he can do much better than his EC2. IME 3.0 and DA might be marginally better out of box, but everything on them is of much poorer quality. I'd take a little prediction for no-accel and lasting construction.

On the contrary the DA (Black Edition at least) has great build quality, very surprising for a Razer product. I'm very aware that for a lot of people the black rubber coating on the side doesn't last long before peeling off, however my hands are relatively dry so I don't have that issue. And I think the DA is a lot better out of the box as a lot of the IME 3.0 variants have terrible switches from what I've heard (might be wrong on that) and the perfect control speed on the DA is a lot higher. Additionally the extra DPI comes in handy if you have huge monitors and want to avoid pixel skipping.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Axaion View Post

Pyroh, i pass the perfect control on my ime 3.0 all the time (500hz), with 37cm/360, and its still the best mouse for me, not only because of the sensor, but also the shape, sure the scrollbug is hella annoying, but least thats fixable, which i did :]
Wish they would release a 3.0 with updated materials, same or less weight, same shape, improved sensor to get rid of the neg accel, while keeping the option to have prediction on or off, and low lod =\

Maybe my swipes are slow then because I can't recall ever passing my WMO's perfect control speed in the past week or so, assuming I'm able to tell when I do.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Sony Oengui View Post

Man, you took the words right out of my mouth (It must have been while you where kissing me). I'm tired of watching people say "this mouse is better, it has more dpi". The end of it is, people defend (most of them), the mouse they have. I have a DA, and I will fight for ir, because it has been a great mouse.
Edit: Oh my god. THE ACCURACY BUTTON. People that buy a mouse because of an accuracy button should be deprived of electricity.

Well as stated by czerro, it's all marketing and people tend tend to believe something if the source seems reputeable even if they have no idea about mice for example. Hell I even fell for Steelseries 6Gv2 marketing regarding their recommendation to use PS/2 even though it has more disadvantages than advantages as explained by an article on geekhack (forget the name).
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i5-2500K ASUS P8Z68-V PRO EVGA 560 Ti G.SKILL Ripjaws 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD Caviar Black Crucial M4 HP 1270I 24X SATA Multiformat DVD Writer CM Hyper212+ 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win7 Professional x64 SP1  BenQ XL2420T Steelseries 6GV2 Thermaltake Toughpower 850w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
CM HAF-X Logitech G400 Puretrak Talent Asus Xonar Essence STX w/ LME49720HA-TO99 
Audio
AKG K 701 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Core i5-2500K ASUS P8Z68-V PRO EVGA 560 Ti G.SKILL Ripjaws 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
WD Caviar Black Crucial M4 HP 1270I 24X SATA Multiformat DVD Writer CM Hyper212+ 
OSMonitorKeyboardPower
Win7 Professional x64 SP1  BenQ XL2420T Steelseries 6GV2 Thermaltake Toughpower 850w 
CaseMouseMouse PadAudio
CM HAF-X Logitech G400 Puretrak Talent Asus Xonar Essence STX w/ LME49720HA-TO99 
Audio
AKG K 701 
  hide details  
Reply
post #17 of 26
Thread Starter 
Ive had the intelli mouse 1.1, Love the shape, But found it skipped on my clothpad so bought the 3.0 with the better sensor, The mouse shape i hated, was so big and cheap feeling, also
the buttons were like rubber band switches, Tried the mx518 but the shape didnt suit my hand, the deathadder shape was also a weird one for me, better than the 3.0 but again soggy buttons.

Ordered the zowie AM mouse anyone else ordered this?
post #18 of 26
dbl post.
Edited by Skylit - 12/6/11 at 9:18am
post #19 of 26
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyroh View Post

It's quite disappointing that such a large majority of mice nowadays aren't made to have "flawless" tracking, great ergonomics, and simple yet effective designs, but instead to appeal to ignorant consumers who want over 9000 DPI, 10 pounds of adjustable weights, and buttons for things like ACCURACY MODE! Mouse companies, I am disappoint. On a side note, I only know of 1 player in competitive cod off the top of my head (TCM FrosteR) who might surpass the perfect control speed of the WMO/IMO 1.1/3.0 with their .9 sens and 400 dpi. I'd say the vast majority of people are mid sens players, like me for example with my ~30 cm/360.

Mouse manufactuers want a 1 stop all around do everything sensor that's easy to setup. While the exceptionally advanced Avago 9500 can do almost everything, it's the small flaws that truly hold it back. Do I think it's a good sensor? Tracking wise, Yes, it's great. Does it track high speeds ? Steelseries is probably using the first decent firmware for the mouse. Works exceptionally well on cloth. The problems? Is it still sensitive to particles and dust? You bet. Does it offer 1:1 linear tracking at high speeds? Sadly no.

Along with that, the lack of support for their LED based sensors is quite silly as it's up to mouse manufactures to code and make sure tracking is optimal. From my stand point, balancing out lift off for max tracking rates doesn't seem easy. Especially when they only support their specific lens. In the end, which sensor is more appealing?

tl;dr Sensor Manufactures like Avago should be capable of supplying solid high performance gaming sensors without much technical hassle.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Pyroh View Post

On the contrary the DA (Black Edition at least) has great build quality, very surprising for a Razer product. I'm very aware that for a lot of people the black rubber coating on the side doesn't last long before peeling off, however my hands are relatively dry so I don't have that issue. And I think the DA is a lot better out of the box as a lot of the IME 3.0 variants have terrible switches from what I've heard (might be wrong on that) and the perfect control speed on the DA is a lot higher.

The DA and later 3.0's use the same switches, although the plastic's that articulate them are totally different. While there are going to be people that defend their mice to death, I feel the Intelimice/wmo build quality is pretty crappy even when compared to Razer products.

Tracking quality (not max speed) is where is truly shines.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Miski View Post

Ive had the intelli mouse 1.1, Love the shape, But found it skipped on my clothpad so bought the 3.0 with the better sensor, The mouse shape i hated, was so big and cheap feeling, also
the buttons were like rubber band switches, Tried the mx518 but the shape didnt suit my hand, the deathadder shape was also a weird one for me, better than the 3.0 but again soggy buttons.
Ordered the zowie AM mouse anyone else ordered this?

Same sensor, unless you're talking about the 9000 FPS bump in later models. In which case, it's kinda negligible. In theory, the higher frame rate should contribute cursor smoothness.
Edited by Skylit - 12/6/11 at 9:19am
post #20 of 26
DeathAdder nuff said.
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 6500 @ stock MSI H110i Pro AC Asus GTX 1070 Gaming Strix OC 16Gb DDR4 Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
1Tb Hitachi 5400RPM 2.5" HDD Intel 540s 240Gb SSD Noctua L9i Windows 10 Home Premium 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
PX2370 Filco Ninja Brown Switches Silverstone 500W SFX-L Gold Silverstone RVZ02 (Non-Windowed) 
MouseAudio
Razer DeathAdder Chroma Bose Companion II 
  hide details  
Reply
    
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i5 6500 @ stock MSI H110i Pro AC Asus GTX 1070 Gaming Strix OC 16Gb DDR4 Corsair Vengeance 
Hard DriveHard DriveCoolingOS
1Tb Hitachi 5400RPM 2.5" HDD Intel 540s 240Gb SSD Noctua L9i Windows 10 Home Premium 
MonitorKeyboardPowerCase
PX2370 Filco Ninja Brown Switches Silverstone 500W SFX-L Gold Silverstone RVZ02 (Non-Windowed) 
MouseAudio
Razer DeathAdder Chroma Bose Companion II 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Mice
Overclock.net › Forums › Components › Mice › What mouse? Without Prediction/Acceleration?