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It is obvious that AMD is moving toward higher margin products such as Llano, which are selling like hotcakes right now.

well. at least, there is this. if only they improved the hybrid crossfire in these things, and upped the gpu core so we could tri-fire 69xx grade 3 gpus while getting one gpu in that 3 for free.
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well. at least, there is this. if only they improved the hybrid crossfire in these things, and upped the gpu core so we could tri-fire 69xx grade 3 gpus while getting one gpu in that 3 for free.

That would win them the war, wouldn't it... smile.gif
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post #13 of 26
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It's hilarious that the reason AMD cut the Phenom II / Athlon II so quickly is because Bulldozer was just so bad.
Who wants to buy a more expensive CPU that performs at or worse than previous generation. Also, 90% of people would have to buy a new MB to use it.
Hard sell....

AMD stopped production before Bulldozer was released
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well. at least, there is this. if only they improved the hybrid crossfire in these things, and upped the gpu core so we could tri-fire 69xx grade 3 gpus while getting one gpu in that 3 for free.

That would win them the war, wouldn't it... smile.gif

actually, they already 'won the war'.

see,

the computing landscape is not like it was before. earlier, the pc owners/gamers were rather a minority in population, using stuff that needed computing power.

but, the average computing power needs of the average application average consumer uses, is WAY below the performance that x86 cpus offer now.

you and me and some minor enthusiasts here look at benchmarks and talk about them, but to the average user, they dont mean zit.

they just know whether their computer 'works' or not. so, we passed that level a few years ago. after the vista flop has subsided.

email videos, skype, youtube facebook web this that. majority of people using laptops and pcs use these.

it is a long time now since the average build that is sold the most have moved to the entry level pc builds in retailers. they are enough,.

the only exception was in gaming. and, in laptops with gaming.

even tho the gamers are a higher percentage, they still remain a small percentage among users. and among the gamers, gamers who would actually care about the extra hdr or bloom or 8x antialiasing are much lower in percentage.

you can confirm this by looking at the content game console owners. their consoles are way behind what the technology can offer in terms of performance, but they are content.

so, some cheap and working solution like Llano is satisfactory for them. actually it is satisfactory for even a higher level of gamers - i at one point entertained getting a llano instead of my 965 - 6950 build. after seeing how they fare in benchmarks and gameplay vids in youtube. they just work. and in laptop gaming, llanos offer unparalleled performance for the price. get a cheap laptop and play starcraft 2 - unthinkable before. and when the 7xxxx cored trinities arrive, i believe the very expensive discrete gpu laptops will decline. (but also a new class that uses 7xxxx core in gpu and 7xxxx high tier gpu in hybrid crossfire can also rise up)

so, that is another level of pc/laptop users that are covered now - those in entry to mid level gaming enthusiasm.

now add to this the fact that A LOT of computing is done on non x86 devices now - smartphones, ipads, this that, the encroachment of arm processors and nvidia tegras and others, and you get the bigger picture :

the users like us, who actually are needing the performance offered by high tier processors, are an irrelevant minority now. they dont care about us, and they are right in that. and this is another reason why amd rep recently talked about how its not about intel anymore - yes, its about tegra, arm, smartphones, ipads, and any other emerging device and their computing.

this only leaves servers and high end computing. and this is a different arena.

..................

so you can easily say that amd has won the war with llano - it just covers a vast swath of users in pc/laptop market. the war for mobile devices and servers, are being fought.
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/5026/amd-q311-results-97mil-on-strong-llano-sales

and lo.
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Meanwhile in terms of market segments AMD saw growth in both mobile and server sales while desktop sales have continued to shrink, reflecting the wider market trend.
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also i very much think that the good integration of cpus and gpus do not bode well for discrete gpu market. i think, this will push discrete gpus to being a niche market even more.
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This is actually a good thing. Manufacturing 45nm and 32nm has been taxing Global Foundries and the reason for the shortage of 32nm chips. Some would also say that was the reason for bulldozer failure. In doing so should speed up production and help mature 32nm chips at a faster rate.

Couldn't AMD get Phenom II/Athlon II on 32nm? AMD already has the Athlon II on 32nm (APU minus the GPU).
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Couldn't AMD get Phenom II/Athlon II on 32nm? AMD already has the Athlon II on 32nm (APU minus the GPU).

There's no L3 on Llano chips.
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Sad, but I could understand discontinuing the Athlon II's. But why discontinue the Phenom II x6's? FX already sucks so they better kick it in gear with the second wave.
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FX already sucks so they better kick it in gear with the second wave.


i wont ask 'sucks as in what'. this has been endlessly discussed with benchmarks, proof, tests and whatnot. the result is it cannot perform better than, but performs close to intel's affordable sandy bridge offerings in CURRENTLY dominant applications that do not rely heavily on multithreading.

and therefore, the answer to your question below probably is :
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Sad, but I could understand discontinuing the Athlon II's. But why discontinue the Phenom II x6's?

[/quote]

they are moving towards heavy multithreading. windows 8 is around the corner, and apparently the optimizations provided 10%~ boost to bulldozer. but more importantly (for us gamers at least) heavily multithreaded dx11 is around the corner, and that is going to change gaming.

in addition - the wider you provide a new infrastructure, faster it is adopted and better the support for it - as long as you keep providing non-heavy multithreaded cpus, the software makers will keep on producing for them, and their instruction sets. by making dozer the only offering, you would push the software production to code and optimize for its instruction sets.

rather strategic decisions.
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