Originally Posted by Mygaffer
Originally Posted by MarvinDessica
I don't understand why people would trust Valve either. They are both just as evil and have shown it many times over. I don't like having my copies of Deus EX, Shogun 2, Civ 5, Portal 2 and Fallout New Vegas hostage UNLESS I'm tied to their always-connected service? Because THAT is forcing you just as bad as EA with Battlefield 3 and Origin. I see so many people complain about how much they love Steam and think it's such a great platform, yet Origin, which does the EXACT same thing is bad because it's from a different company.
EA probably has some of the best support I've used. Their chat service has always helped me with any issues, they've reset my activation limits (which frankly, I don't understand why any of you wouldn't do the same), unlocked my DLC problems with Dragon Age Origins Ultimate Edition and even have given me a free game when my issue with Bulletstorms activation were horrid (Mostly having to do with GFWL related issues). When my account was hijacked trough steam it took them almost 3 days to respond, meanwhile I risked the possibility of my account being banned for ANY number of reasons they see justified and even if you had all the proof in the world the ability to reverse a VAC ban is apparently "out of their control" I mean really? Someones account gets hijacked, banned (And if you read their forums, it's happened many times before) and they lose access to hundreds spent on YOUR service? How does that many any sense?
Let's create a system that's supposedly "perfect" where someones account can still be hijacked but we can't reverse it at all! Brilliant!
I honestly wonder what Valve was thinking with the VAC system in place where the whole purpose of it's creation can still get your account banned.
Steam has my trust. What have they done that is anywhere near
as bad as all the crap EA has pulled over the years?
I don't like the idea of having to be connected to the Internet all the time to play my games and I WILL NOT buy games that require that. Your assertion that Steam requires an always on Internet connection is completely false.
First of all lets say you have an unexpected Internet loss. You can still launch and play your games for 3 months, 90 days, before you have to reconnect. If you download your games and then put Steam into Offline mode you NEVER have to reconnect to play your games. You only have to reconnect if you want to buy new games or download games in your library that you don't have installed.
Steam is awesome, Valve is awesome, and this is coming from someone who will never use Origin, will never buy Diablo 3 because it requires an always on Internet connection, and haven't bought any games published by Ubisoft in two years, even games I've wanted, b/c they use the always on DRM.
I don't know where you guys come from who try and insist that Valve is just as "evil" as EA. They have demonstrated time and time again that they listen to the community and try to meet their needs. EA has shown time and time again they want to sell units and the community can go hang for all they care. They do horrible, quasi-legal things like denying customers access to games they paid for because of a criticism they posted on their forum. When they get caught they lie about it, resume the practice, and when they get called on it again the only thing they say is that they are "looking into it".
EA sucks and I have ZERO trust for them, same goes for Activision, same goes for Ubisoft. They have squandered any trust I had in their companies long ago with lies and broken promises and insults to top it off. Valve may have made a few mistakes here and there but they are upfront with the users, and try meet their needs.
EDIT: I see you say that EA chat support always resets your activations. See how far we have come? Instead of being mad that they even have activation limits you are happy that they have allowed
you to reinstall a game you PAID for! That is hilarious. No Valve game EVER has had activation limits.
1. Because I don't trust ANY COMPANY, EVER. I've been screwed over too many times in the past to somehow hand trust over to a bunch of money grubbing businessmen who somehow have "rep" in the gaming community. It makes me LOL everytime I read the words "Valve" and "Trust" in the same sentence.
2. Valve has taken mods and turned them into "pay to play" games. Valve is more than likely going to make Dota 2 a pay to play game. Hell, you can complain about EA shutting down companies but ever wonder why those companies get shut down? Gee, I honestly wonder why. Let's take a look-
Mercenaries 2: World in Flames - Horrible Reception, was bargain bin material and was found for 20 bucks a little over a month after it came out. Microcenter currently has it on clearance for 50 cent around here.
The Lord of the Rings: Conquest - Horrible reception, numerous bugs, online community died in a month and didn't sell worth a squat.
The Saboteur - Mediocre at best reception, some good to be found didn't even push 700,000k copies and I found it for 4.99 at half price books last summer.
Clearly there was a reason to keep a 1,500 manned studio around that couldn't produce good titles. You guys would make horrible businessmen.
Westwood Games - Closed in 2003, haven't produced a title since 1998
Maxis - Closed down after Will Wrights departure. Having a friend who worked at Stupid Fun Club I can tell you this was mostly Wills decision to take his company in a new direction IE, Stupid Fun Club which still retains relations with EA.
Origin Systems - Can anyone here honestly remember anything past Ultima?
Bullfrog Productions - Peter Molynuex left and started Lionhead.
Man, I swear EA is SUCH a terrible company man.
3. Is it right for Valve to ban accounts that were hijacked on the "assumption" that the user could have been hacking? No.
4. That was an issue with a game where it wouldn't activate, but for some reason it counted toward all them. EA gladly reset the limit with NO issue. The game in question was Saboteur. Guess what? The Witcher 2 had 5 activation limits and pretty much every-game with securom does too! Even games you buy from Steam can have Securom.
Lol man get over it, but the only difference here is games with Securom like Bioshock 2, you have to deal with non-existent service when things get awry. Never had this issue with EA. Takes days for Steam, especially when I got my account jacked a few weeks ago.