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The Sapphire DIRT3 edition HD-6950 @ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102945 when it's in stock, $260.

Only because it has a better chance at UNLOCKING to a HD-6970 than that MSI Twin Frozr II card. To get the better MSI card you'd need the $300 MSI PE/OC TwinFrozrIII edition.
Plus you'd have to FLASH that MSI Twin Frozr II card to attempt it, while the Sapphire card has a DUAL BIOS w/ the 6970 Unlocled shaders in Position 2 so it's a much safer way to attempt it.
And an UNLOCKED and OVERCLOCKED HD-6950 well eat up and poop out 1GB GTX-560ti's all day long. It's a much more intelligent buy for the money. As an example my Sapphire
TOXIC HD-6950 version can almost match stock GTX-580's level of performance at about HALF the cost to buy one (GTX-580 @ $500 vs. My TOXIC was $270 after rebates).

Good luck with whatever Card you buy, to be honest they're ALL good cards and he should be happy with whatever you get. thumb.gif

I agreed with everything up until you compared a 6950 with a 580. A 6950 can't hold a handle to a 580. Let's run some benchmarks against one another. rolleyes.gif
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[H]ard|OCP already did, and my Unlocked & Overclocked TOXIC HD-6950 beats a stock GTX-580 in 2 of the 3 games they tested it on ... so thumb.gif

Can YOU overclock your GTX-580 to beat it ... SURE ... but then can I spend another $270 to X-fire two of them to give me performance that will CRUSH your single GTX-580 for about the same price as ONE GTX-580, heck yeah thumb.gif

 

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I agreed with everything up until you compared a 6950 with a 580. A 6950 can't hold a handle to a 580. Let's run some benchmarks against one another. rolleyes.gif

 

http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/08/29/sapphire_toxic_hd6950_video_card_review

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On our test bench today is SAPPHIRE's highest end, and fully customized, Radeon HD 6950 card, the SAPPHIRE TOXIC HD6950 which was just released in August, 2011. We will only be testing this overclocked SAPPHIRE TOXIC HD6950, against the Radeon HD 6950, HD 6970, a GeForce GTX 570, and a GTX 580 with some really impressive results! 

 

As we mentioned our overclocked SAPPHIRE TOXIC HD6950 using the 1536 BIOS was able to match the performance of a stock Radeon HD 6970 whose market is between $340 and $380. It was also able to match a reference GeForce GTX 580 in two out of three games. The GeForce GTX 580's market ranges from $420 to $600. Almost double the price of the SAPPHIRE TOXIC HD6950.  

 

This gaming performance the SAPPHIRE TOXIC HD6950 produced stomped its competition in the relevant price range. On top of the great overclock that this card comes with, we had plenty of head room to push it even farther. With the overclock on the faster 1536 Shader BIOS the card was able to produce equal or better gaming performance than the much more expensive HD 6970 and GeForce GTX 580, at a fraction of the price.

 

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I'm NOT saying a single TOXIC is a better PERFORMANCE card than your GTX-580 ... but it is a BETTER bang for your buck Graphics card by far, and for about the same price as your GTX-580 I can buy TWO of my TOXIC HD-6950's and the X-Fire combo IS better PERFORMANCE than your single GTX-580 card, right ? thinking.gif  Want to run benchmarks on that ? cheers.gif 

 


Edited by LA_Kings_Fan - 12/8/11 at 2:24pm
   
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post #13 of 25
depends on resolution. if your friend has 1080p monitor the 6950 would be better. for everything else get the 560ti
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The Sapphire DIRT3 edition HD-6950 @ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102945 when it's in stock, $260.

Only because it has a better chance at UNLOCKING to a HD-6970 than that MSI Twin Frozr II card. To get the better MSI card you'd need the $300 MSI PE/OC TwinFrozrIII edition.
Plus you'd have to FLASH that MSI Twin Frozr II card to attempt it, while the Sapphire card has a DUAL BIOS w/ the 6970 Unlocled shaders in Position 2 so it's a much safer way to attempt it.
And an UNLOCKED and OVERCLOCKED HD-6950 well eat up and poop out 1GB GTX-560ti's all day long. It's a much more intelligent buy for the money. As an example my Sapphire
TOXIC HD-6950 version can almost match stock GTX-580's level of performance at about HALF the cost to buy one (GTX-580 @ $500 vs. My TOXIC was $270 after rebates).

Good luck with whatever Card you buy, to be honest they're ALL good cards and he should be happy with whatever you get. thumb.gif

That's interesting. I've never tried the whole unlocking scheme before, but I've heard of it and am intrigued. It's too bad that sapphire doesn't really sell on newegg anymore frown.gif
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post #15 of 25
Damn, LA Kings Fan is pushing the advertising for his card hard in every thread I see.. haha. My advice: ignore that dude, look at other responses instead!

Unlocking a 6950 to 6970 shaders gives you about a 2%-3% increase in performance.That's it. A 6970 is still quite a bit faster.

Everything else is done with overclocking which you can do with every other card as well, 6950's have stability issues thanks to Powertune. You have to cramp it way up if you touch the clocks and voltage which results in insane power draw. Also the cooler on the Toxic is supposedly really bad and loud.

Personally I would also be concerned how well the card can deal with prolongued exposure to the additional duty , since in the end it is still a 6950 PCB and not the better quality 6970 PCB.

in that price range the MSI 6950 TF3 is still your best bet though I think, extremely nice cooler, I just got my GTX 560 448 TF3 today too and it blew me away, quite literally biggrin.gif
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Nice. Yeah im not going to overclock the gpu, so im still probably going to go with the 6950 tf2
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[H]ard|OCP already did, and my Unlocked & Overclocked TOXIC HD-6950 beats a stock GTX-580 in 2 of the 3 games they tested it on ... so thumb.gif
Can YOU overclock your GTX-580 to beat it ... SURE ... but then can I spend another $270 to X-fire two of them to give me performance that will CRUSH your single GTX-580 for about the same price as ONE GTX-580, heck yeah thumb.gif


http://www.hardocp.com/article/2011/08/29/sapphire_toxic_hd6950_video_card_review

I'm NOT saying a single TOXIC is a better PERFORMANCE card than your GTX-580 ... but it is a BETTER bang for your buck Graphics card by far, and for about the same price as your GTX-580 I can buy TWO of my TOXIC HD-6950's and the X-Fire combo IS better PERFORMANCE than your single GTX-580 card, right ? thinking.gif   Want to run benchmarks on that ? cheers.gif  

No. Overclock your GPU, and run Vantage or 3dMark 11. Then I will run mine, stock, same benchmark. CPU-Z, GPU-Z for proof, whatever you wish. Don't worry about their benchmarks. I see different results from different sights about comparisons to 6950's and 580's. They don't have many, and their is a reason for that.
Edited by Motive - 12/8/11 at 5:39pm
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GTX 560ti Twin Frozr II or Twin Frozr III. Best cooling solution on the market out of the box.
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post #19 of 25
6950 IMO. I bought a Twin Frozr II 2gb @ Frys (wish I would have waited and ordered the Frozr III online , but thats another story). It runs BF3 and Skryim at Ultra , no hiccups. Great card stays cool.
post #20 of 25
The graphs shown above in previous post are of an unlocked AMD 6950 vs a stock GTX 580, it wouldn't hold water on an over clocked 580 which are beastly over clockers without any issues. Hardly comparison when one is over clocked and the other at reference clocks. Whether the extra performance is worth it to some and not others is conditional and varies.

Some game benches of current games out that show otherwise.

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http://www.techspot.com/review/458-battlefield-3-performance/page3.html

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Now for some comparisons with AMD 6950 and GTX 560Ti. Keep in mind the unlocked AMD 6950 is comparable with a heavily over clocked GTX 560Ti.

DX11 games. The GTX 560Ti 1GB and AMD 6950 1GB are comparable. The graph shows the AMD 6950 2GB version but dosen't show the GTX 560Ti 2GB version which would be comprable. These graphs are more about the new GTX 560Ti 448 core cards that just came out and more recent gaming benches.

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Either way, both AMD 6950 and GTX 560Ti as you can see are very good cards and neither is a wrong choice.They both trade blows back and forth. Where one excels the other isn't too far behind. Flip a coin you'd still be happy with either choice you bring home. thumb.gif

Personally I do have this exact choice coming up with a second rig I'm building. After much thought I'm going with an MSI GTX 560Ti 2GB TwinFrozrII card. For my sig rig after AMD releases the 7000 series I'm getting a second GTX 580 for $380. smile.gif
     
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