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Icons laid out in a grid with what it is underneath = iOS clone doh.gif
That's the same as saying BF3 is the same as MW3 because MW has guns and it's a first person shooter. When really they are nothing a like


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I said Elop killed Meego.

You said you doubted the truth of that.

I showed how Meego was left in obscurity while Elop sold Nokia for a song.

You said that the phone wasn't sold in some areas because the phone was flawed and I was just complaining and had never used a WP7 device before

I listed the specific problems with the WP7 UI and pointed out that your main accusation about SwipeUI didn't hold true (that the OS was cluttered) and that this problem actually applied to WP7 instead. I further pointed out that the phone had blockbuster sales despite no advertising (debunking the idea that the OS was undesirable).

You said that you agreed with me that WP7 was busy and a bit cluttered, but was still much more simple than Swipe UI. You continued stating that Meego wasn't as smooth as WP7. You state that an alphabetized list is best and that folders encourage forgetting. Next you defend livetiles by saying that most people don't use many applications anyway, and multi-tasking is overrated. You say that you don't like the look or size of SwipeUI application icons. You say the app situation will change and Elop killed Meego for a reason. Finally, you say simple is efficient.

I point out that bigger elements aren't necessary. I speak about an update that fixed the major stutter problems with the N9, and I state that another part of the difference in performance may be due to the much faster SOC in the Lumia 800. I state that simple and efficient do not always equate and then show that SwipeUI is much more simple and efficient than WP7 (I do this by showing how large the learning curve is for WP7 as compared to SwipeUI). I point out that for most people the relation nature of icons and folders is much better than alphabetized lists (though I say that alphabetizing is an option in SwipeUI), and I point out that rows of icons which can make use of they way most human minds work when searching is better than a linear listing.I point out that many people have large libraries of applications and an efficient listing method is needed. I next showed that every major smartphone OS has multi-tasking abilities, showing that the designers saw that there is both a current and a future need for the capability. Finally, I point out that Nokia has stated quite clearly that SwipeUI is not dead, even if Meego disappears (implying that Nokia views the UI as on-par or better than WP7 UI).

Once again, you avoid all the relavent facts and illustrations I show and instead pick about "smoothness" despite the fact that in the two video's shown, the problem either doesn't exist (the first video) or the author of the video stated that the problem was non-existent in normal use (meaning that he had to go out of his way to create the problem). You pick once again, at the size of the SwipeUI icons by pointing out one of just a couple of times in a 23 minute video that the guy accidentally presses the wrong button. You say that in the first video, they reviewer liked WP7 better.

I point out that the scrolling "issue" was not relevant. I pointed out that despite its unimportance in normal usage, the problem could be caused by hardware, x-window system, or (more possibly) because Elop fired most of the Meego guys [which I forgot to mention, adds to the idea that maybe this shows a concerted effort by Elop to kill WP7 competitors]. Next I launch into a lengthy explanation as to where the 23 minute video raises non-issues, raves about the People hub (despite a similar idea already being in SwipeUI via contacts and feeds), text reflow not being in a place where it shouldn't be anyway, saying Zune is worse than the SwipeUI player (while not pointing out the problem with the SwipeUI video app), and generally taking forever to say very little. I finish by asking why MS didn't remove the registry from WP7.

Now to your most recent post

You admit that I'm right that smoothness isn't an issue under normal circumstances, but then you switch topics yet again and change to "well meego is dying anyway" while saying that "there must be some reason" (hint:Meego isn't disappearing and SwipeUI DEFINITELY isn't disappearing (already stated that Nokia made this clear) and Elop trying to kill Meego seems to fit Occam's Razor).

Next, you say that integration (especially of social network) is the most important job of a smartphone. (despite my previously pointing out that there is "integration" and "social network integration" present in SwipeUI. The differenc is just the choice between a "people hub" and feeds and contacts)

Next you ask why there were swipe problems with SwipeUI, but not WP7 while ignoring my previous answer (because WP7 doesn't have two types of swipes and specifically because it doesn't have an edge swipe)

Your following statement is that meego isn't integrated or minimalistic enough (I tire of pointing out the differences in social integration (you don't seem to have any other integration complaints besides "social integration") and you forgot again that I already illustrated just how much more simpe/minimalistic SwipeUI is compared with WP7)

Next up is another total change of topic. The argument changes from SwipeUI has X problem to "SwipeUI icons look a little like iOS because they are in a grid." (might as well argue that they look like most windows desktops. An accusation of "theft" has NOTHING to do with the topic at hand)

Not content to just accuse SwipeUI of "icon theft" you further generalize by saying that SwipeUI is no different from iOS. (now it is my turn to ask "have you ever used SwipeUI?" You don't seem to grasp the major shift in user paradigm. SwipeUI has more in common with Android than with iOS)

You agree that MS office is king, but you do see a need to be able to do last minute fixes in document on a phone. (I (like most people who would use documents, spreadsheets, presentations, etc) am never so far from my laptop so as to even desire to fix anything on a 4 inch screen. If one is going to fix a spreadsheet, the problem isn't likely to be trivial nor is it likely to be one that anyone COULD fix in a short amount of time on a small screen. If one has a presentation, why wouldn't it be on a computer? Smartphones don't play well with projectors and a laptop is always handy; besides, if you can't clearly see the entire slide, your "fixing" may just ruin it. This leaves the sole option of fixing word documents on the fly. I don't see this as a major feature, but instead see it as a checkbox feature which can be marketed.)

You like WP7, no problem. You started a discussion on SwipeUI vs WP7. This is also not a problem to me as long as we stick to the relevant facts. The problem is that each time I bring in the facts, you change the topic slightly while ignoring them. This kind of discussion may suit you (that's not a problem, whatever floats your boat), but I don't wish to continue that kind of discussion, so I guess it's time for me to exit the stage.
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Edited by hajile - 12/10/11 at 7:32am
post #93 of 112
LOL good one, but it's true. I would say I disagreed with Eduard at first, but the more I read his reasonings, that opinion became this guy is just arguing for arguing's sake instead of having any facts.
post #94 of 112
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Cmon guys....this discussion is going nowehere,people who like meego should be in meego forums not in WP7 forums.

I like WP7 more than Meego that is my point
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Strictly speaking, WP7 will never have Superuser because it isn't based on the Linux kernel, and it will never be as open and tweakable as Android, period end of story. Chevron isn't root. Stop trying to justify locked down platforms because "lol it just wurks XD".
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  1. Support for Mango (running native DLL's)
  2. Full Root Access to all resources and API's with possibility to enable/disable per app (also bringing huge performance improvements)
  3. Support for HTC and LG
  4. Building an SDK for other developers

Windows Phone 7 Root access
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Myth busted. Do I get a cookie?


And "Superuser" is a term that defines the privileges that one has in an operating system. It isn't exclusive to Linux... Fact is, with WP7/IOS, you don't have to spend "15 minutes of tweaking" to get a better experience. You get that out of the box.

After you're finished tweaking, you're still using a phone with a laggy UI, no integration, over saturation, and fragmentation.

Strictly speaking, Android will never be as integrated and consistent as iOS/WP7. Point blank.

Owning an Android device is a constant tweak... You literally never stop trying to get the best experience on a phone until you buy a different mobile OS.
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Is this is sent using your Lumia 800? tongue.gif
Anyways, if you were guys to pick, Black or the Blue(cyan) one? Black seems sleek but the blue one looks pretty eye catching and shows the curves more.
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  1. Support for Mango (running native DLL's)
  2. Full Root Access to all resources and API's with possibility to enable/disable per app (also bringing huge performance improvements)
  3. Support for HTC and LG
  4. Building an SDK for other developers

Windows Phone 7 Root access.
Myth busted. Do I get a cookie?
And "Superuser" is a term that defines the privileges that one has in an operating system. It isn't exclusive to Linux...


When I said Superuser, I literally meant Superuser. Only UNIX and Unix-like OSes have the UNIX permission system where /user and /root are distinct directories and a regular user must use the su or sudo command with a valid root password in order to access root. Windows Phone 7 is based on...well...Windows and hence its backend is similar, with a registry. So again, WP7 will never have root, it isn't Linux or Unix-like.

 

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Fact is, with WP7/IOS, you don't have to spend "15 minutes of tweaking" to get a better experience. You get that out of the box.

 

If by a "better experience out of the box" you mean no UI lag, that might very well be true. You're forgetting that a rooted Android phone with a custom ROM and kernel has more functionality. Out of the box, WP7 and iOS are subject to the whims of MS and Apple and what they think you should be allowed to do with your phone.

 

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After you're finished tweaking, you're still using a phone with a laggy UI, no integration, over saturation, and fragmentation.

 

If an Android phone has lag, it's easily remedied by rooting, slapping on a custom ROM and applying an overclock.

 

You haven't used an iPhone 3G or other older iOS device in awhile, have you? Several posts back you mentioned how "low end Androids are notoriously laggy", which is funny, because I happen to have handy a 16GB 2nd gen iPod touch that belongs to my sister. It's running iOS 4.2.1, which has had a hardware accelerated UI from Day 1. Now you can go ahead and explain why there is significantly more UI lag on this iPod than on my Optimus V on stock settings. There is a very noticeable 1.5 second delay when scrolling and navigating through the settings menu (which slows to a halt for about 5 seconds after the settings button is tapped.) Were this an Android phone, it could be rooted and overclocked to mitigate the lag issues, but since it's an Apple product, the only solution is to buy a new device.

 

"Fragmentation" is the favorite meaningless buzzword of Apple drones who have no idea what they're talking about. Custom ROMs allow you to install a newer release of Android and keep it up to date. "After I'm finished tweaking" I have the latest version of Android running on my device, and "fragmentation" is a complete and utter non-issue. So what if I have to wait a month for the latest version to get CyanogenMod support? If it were an Apple product I'd be waiting until the heat death of the Universe.

 

As for "oversaturation" and "no integration,"...what do you mean? Oversaturation of what? No Twitter integration?

 

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Strictly speaking, Android will never be as integrated and consistent as iOS/WP7. Point blank.
Owning an Android device is a constant tweak... You literally never stop trying to get the best experience on a phone until you buy a different mobile OS.


lachen.gifThanks for proving you have absolutely no clue what you're talking about and are just spewing Apple propaganda. Try actually using an Android device instead of making things up. "Owning an Android device is a constant tweak," LOL my...sides....lachen.gif


 


Edited by Malcolm - 12/11/11 at 11:30am
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Dude WP7 blows iOS out of the water. I liked it way better than Android too, but I haven't tried 4.0 yet. I think 4.0 may be better than WP7 as it stands now. As a starting point though, the Metro UI with its integration, smooth flow, and process flow is really a winner. It makes iOS look like what it is - old and dated.
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