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For his CPU though, his scores are spot on. There will always be a CPU that is faster than what you currently have we see that every 6-months.

OP: If you want better performance than switching over to Intel will give you that. If you are just wanting to know if your scores are accurate for your current hardware setup, then the answer is yes, you are in-line with what us AMD'rs get for scores in that benchmark.

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For his CPU though, his scores are spot on. There will always be a CPU that is faster than what you currently have we see that every 6-months.
OP: If you want better performance than switching over to Intel will give you that. If you are just wanting to know if your scores are accurate for your current hardware setup, then the answer is yes, you are in-line with what us AMD'rs get for scores in that benchmark.
http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2156852

That's perfectly true. But why buy so much horse power only to have it throttled buy the cpu???
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some one with 1 gtx580 give him a bench mark to compare to instead of a sli vs1 so he can figure out what exactly is going on

I have one GTX 580 to show for him, on air cooling @ 950Mhz with a i7 950 3.80Ghz CPU I score 7214 combined. On the graphics alone I hit 7387.

It was low compared to other similar systems according to 3DMark11 page for single cards. It said my graphics driver was not approved. Not sure why not as it's the latest Your VGA driver version: 8.17.12.8562. Latest approved drivers: 8.17.12.8026. I'm running 285.62 from Nvidia.

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Two 580s @ 935MHz and a 2600K @ 4.8GHz.

Your score is only low because of the CPU. Maybe try getting a 1100T and overclock that? You may have a better time getting an unlocked one to 4GHz+.
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i would like to stick with the amd, but if it's truly bottlenecking the 580s (even at 3.8ghz??), then I guess I have no choice. I want to unleash the full power of the 580s.

so there's no alternative to switching over to Intel? frown.gif
    
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It's most definitely your processor bottleneck.
ur only alternative is to overclock your chip more, unless you buy new processor
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i would like to stick with the amd, but if it's truly bottlenecking the 580s (even at 3.8ghz??), then I guess I have no choice. I want to unleash the full power of the 580s.

so there's no alternative to switching over to Intel? frown.gif

Well ... no, not really. However, there's a few other considerations I would make, if I were attached to my AMD board.

1) The difference between 11K and 12.5K (the graphics portion of the test, which is what 'matters') is only around 14% ... and 14% difference is *really* not visible to the naked eye.

2) This is a synthetic benchmark, running at 720p resolution. As such, it doesn't necessarily represent the level of BN you will have in any universal sense, just the level of BN on this particular test. I bet if you tried the Heaven benchmark, maxed out at 1080p with full tessellation and AA, you'd find your score is indentical to that of a person w/a 2600K at 5.0GHz.

3) Generally speaking, you can reduce the severity of any CPU BN simply by increasing the graphics settings. Of course, the way this works is by reducing the FPS, but the point is that another 'path' to getting the most out of your 580's ... is by making the test more graphically challenging.

When you get right down to it, did you get these cards so you could max everything out at high resolutions, or did you get it so you could impress everyone w/ the size of your e-peen, running synthetic benchmarks at 720p?

Like I said above, PERSONALLY I consider any AMD chip to be a bit underpowered for SLI580's, BUT ... if I really liked my new AMD mobo, and wanted to stick with it, I would deal w/the occasional CPU BN using the above justifications. That CPU is very unlikely to ever bring down your 'max playable settings', so ... does it really matter that you lose a few FPS from time to time?

All told, in your shoes, I'd probably wait for Ivy Bridge to replace your CPU/platform. Either that, or if you can find someone selling off a nice Tylersburg/Bloomfield setup for a great deal (first gen i7 board/chip, which shouldn't be too tough to find considering how many are going to Sandy's lately), grab one of those and sell your AMD board. You can probably make that switch pretty cheaply, and the difference between first and second gen i7 is really pretty minimal when it comes to gaming perf.
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Why don't you compare Graphics Score ?

http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2313707
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3DMark Score P9696
Graphics Score 12012
Physics Score 6166
Combined Score 6109
GraphicsTest 153.15 FPS
GraphicsTest 255.71 FPS
GraphicsTest 377.7 FPS
GraphicsTest 437.1 FPS

Where in heck are you getting those FPS scores from on the individual tests? Those numbers don't even remotely match what the link says ... these tests are all running in the 30-80fps range, not the 150+ range headscratch.gif
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i would like to stick with the amd, but if it's truly bottlenecking the 580s (even at 3.8ghz??), then I guess I have no choice. I want to unleash the full power of the 580s.

so there's no alternative to switching over to Intel? frown.gif

Think about it like this, why spend $1k on video cards when your CPU can't push both of them to their maximum potential. Might as well just stick with a single video card because honestly I really don't think you will see a big difference difference between a single GTX 580 and two of them with an AMD CPU.

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i would like to stick with the amd, but if it's truly bottlenecking the 580s (even at 3.8ghz??), then I guess I have no choice. I want to unleash the full power of the 580s.

so there's no alternative to switching over to Intel? frown.gif

Well ... no, not really. However, there's a few other considerations I would make, if I were attached to my AMD board.

1) The difference between 11K and 12.5K (the graphics portion of the test, which is what 'matters') is only around 14% ... and 14% difference is *really* not visible to the naked eye.

2) This is a synthetic benchmark, running at 720p resolution. As such, it doesn't necessarily represent the level of BN you will have in any universal sense, just the level of BN on this particular test. I bet if you tried the Heaven benchmark, maxed out at 1080p with full tessellation and AA, you'd find your score is indentical to that of a person w/a 2600K at 5.0GHz.

3) Generally speaking, you can reduce the severity of any CPU BN simply by increasing the graphics settings. Of course, the way this works is by reducing the FPS, but the point is that another 'path' to getting the most out of your 580's ... is by making the test more graphically challenging.

When you get right down to it, did you get these cards so you could max everything out at high resolutions, or did you get it so you could impress everyone w/ the size of your e-peen, running synthetic benchmarks at 720p?

Like I said above, PERSONALLY I consider any AMD chip to be a bit underpowered for SLI580's, BUT ... if I really liked my new AMD mobo, and wanted to stick with it, I would deal w/the occasional CPU BN using the above justifications. That CPU is very unlikely to ever bring down your 'max playable settings', so ... does it really matter that you lose a few FPS from time to time?

All told, in your shoes, I'd probably wait for Ivy Bridge to replace your CPU/platform. Either that, or if you can find someone selling off a nice Tylersburg/Bloomfield setup for a great deal (first gen i7 board/chip, which shouldn't be too tough to find considering how many are going to Sandy's lately), grab one of those and sell your AMD board. You can probably make that switch pretty cheaply, and the difference between first and second gen i7 is really pretty minimal when it comes to gaming perf.
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Originally Posted by Catscratch View Post

Why don't you compare Graphics Score ?

http://3dmark.com/3dm11/2313707
1055t 3800mhz
3DMark Score P9696
Graphics Score 12012
Physics Score 6166
Combined Score 6109
GraphicsTest 153.15 FPS
GraphicsTest 255.71 FPS
GraphicsTest 377.7 FPS
GraphicsTest 437.1 FPS

Where in heck are you getting those FPS scores from on the individual tests? Those numbers don't even remotely match what the link says ... these tests are all running in the 30-80fps range, not the 150+ range headscratch.gif


What you said is all true and especially in CPU dependent games like Battlefield, Starcraft, CoD etc. People can argue that well there isn't a big difference between 100fps and 180fps but then again why spend $1k on two GTX 580s when you can get 100FPS on a single GTX 580.


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That's perfectly true. But why buy so much horse power only to have it throttled buy the cpu???

IDK, maybe he wouldn't have been able to purchase the second GPU if he went the Intel route? If I had the $$ I would drop AMD right now and switch over to Intel, unfortunately though, I had to replace my refrigerator, fix my truck....etc instead...LOL.....dmn food and transportation!!! biggrin.gif
   
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great responses brettjv (wanted to +rep but forgot i couldnt for mods). and also everyone else!

ya i bought it so I could increase FPS (want at least 60 constant for BF3 multiplayer @ ultra)... didn't know my 3.8ghz cpu would hold the gpus back frown.gif

thing is, i'm not getting that... so it seems like my next upgrade is gonna be ivy bridge (i guess i can put up with this for a while).

ps brettjv, catscratch meant Graphics Test #1 55fps or whatever. ignore the 1, 2, 3, 4.
i'm sure you understand biggrin.gif
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