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You believe "pirating" is bad behavior and I do not. You believe everything the media tells you and I do not. Get over it & end of story. I bet you believed ABC news when they said black Friday was a turn around for the American economy. Bwahahahaha!

Bad behavior. When you walk into a store do you just steal what ever you want? Are you a thief? Do you know what eula stands for. Lets do this how about the 1st of definition piracy, now laugh Bwahahahaha

There is a reason its called piracy in the first place, because its stealing> I suggest you read the tos on this forum.
Definition of 'piracy'

1. piracy
An illegal act of violence, depredation (e.g., plundering, robbing, or pillaging), or detention.
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Bad behavior. When you walk into a store do you just steal what ever you want? Are you a thief? Do you know what eula stands for. Lets do this how about the 1st of definition piracy, now laugh Bwahahahaha
There is a reason its called piracy in the first place, because its stealing> I suggest you read the tos on this forum.
Definition of 'piracy'
1. piracy
An illegal act of violence, depredation (e.g., plundering, robbing, or pillaging), or detention.

You mad?
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Bad behavior. When you walk into a store do you just steal what ever you want? Are you a thief? Do you know what eula stands for. Lets do this how about the 1st of definition piracy, now laugh Bwahahahaha
There is a reason its called piracy in the first place, because its stealing> I suggest you read the tos on this forum.
Definition of 'piracy'
1. piracy
An illegal act of violence, depredation (e.g., plundering, robbing, or pillaging), or detention.

IRL piracy =/= software piracy

stealing, by definition, implies that the object in question has been deprived of its original owner [the original owner no longer has it]. this just simply isn't the case with piracy [of software].

I'm strongly opposed to piracy, by the way, but I would appreciate if people sharing the same position as me stuck to things that were factual to support their argument.
    
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post #244 of 284
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Bad behavior. When you walk into a store do you just steal what ever you want? Are you a thief? Do you know what eula stands for. Lets do this how about the 1st of definition piracy, now laugh Bwahahahaha
There is a reason its called piracy in the first place, because its stealing> I suggest you read the tos on this forum.
Definition of 'piracy'
1. piracy
An illegal act of violence, depredation (e.g., plundering, robbing, or pillaging), or detention.

You will have a hard time trying to pass logic onto people that are bound and determined to make an excuse to take something from someone without paying for it. Sadly, companies and their extreme self centered business strategies don't help the situation when the common man can feel themselves getting taken advantage of.
So 1) Piracy is being a thief.
and 2) A lot of companies will do anything to take your money and they have clout with lawmakers so they have the upper hand and can get away with it without being called a thief.
and 3) Number 1 does not excuse Number 2 or make it even in the slightest. They are both wrong and should be dealt with strongly and swiftly.
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IRL piracy =/= software piracy
stealing, by definition, implies that the object in question has been deprived of its original owner [the original owner no longer has it]. this just simply isn't the case with piracy [of software].
I'm strongly opposed to piracy, by the way, but I would appreciate if people sharing the same position as me stuck to things that were factual to support their argument.
That's not the definition of stealing, that's the definition of larceny. Stealing as a concept encompasses more than just that. Otherwise no one would be able to steal ideas for their essays or steal those animated GIFs of Cherry MX switches from geekhack. However, people who try to justify getting something for nothing conveniently forget that.
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Jeez, by some of your definitions of what is right and wrong you would think that loaning out CDs or DVDs would be illegal too. I believe this would be the next step these greedy corporations would take if they were capable of outlawing 'piracy' worldwide. You would go to jail for loaning your DVD collections to friends and family since this could be considered a loss of sale also.

Ever hear of promotional copies? Musicians used to hand out handfuls of their records at concerts (Metallica did in the beginning) for this very fact. They knew that getting the CDs or records in their fans hands would spurn more sales. If you want to sell a product you need to get samples in your target audience's hands by any means necessary. Game companies would do well to adhere to this philosophy and start making demos again.
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Jeez, by some of your definitions of what is right and wrong you would think that loaning out CDs or DVDs would be illegal too

It is illegal if you don't have a license.
    
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yeap as said it is illegal, it is not illegal to loan out a shovel for example. To everybody comparing piracy to stealing from a shop or other idiotic analogy get it through your skulls: intellectual property is NOT the same as property. Lets go to extremes and assume everybody will start pirating stuff and not buying anything, simple thing happens: the creators of the said stuff will stop creating them. Next what happens is the business model changes, for example instead of creating something and then selling it now people pay the creator to create it in the first place. The system will always self adjust to restore balance, the world wont end, it will evolve. Its called progress, get on the bandwagon or get ran over tongue.gif
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I say lets keep the analysis simple. Pirating exists but people still create music and games. If these people did not make money off the music and games they would stop making them, but they don't because they do make money. It is simple economics,if the creators did not make money they could not create but we see new games and music everyday. OH you mean you want to make even more money, now I get it.
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stop_Online_Piracy_Act

This is what is going on with the United States government and the internet. Do not be fooled by the name (Stop Online Piracy Act) of this bill. This will allow the United States government a sturdy foot in the door to ultimately controlling the internet that we all know and love. Waste no more time arguing with those who've had the wool pulled over their eyes. This is not about "piracy". This about the government falling to its knees and bending over backwards for corporations who will foot the bill.

If you'd like to find out what you can do to help win the fight you can visit https://www.eff.org/.

Please take the time to read the Wikipedia page and or pop over and see the guys at the EFF.

The bill would authorize the U.S. Department of Justice to seek court orders against websites outside U.S. jurisdiction accused of infringing on copyrights, or of enabling or facilitating copyright infringement. Has this even been discussed with the UN? Scratch that, the US has the UN in its back pocket.
Edited by Joeful - 12/11/11 at 12:16pm
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