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You're doing the same thing the industry does, Piracy =/= Lost Sales.

This.

People fail to realize that a large percentage of piracy is due to inability to afford the product. It's very very rampant in some places like Brazil. Do you honestly think a poor 16 year old Brazilian student who torrents Photoshop on his Pentium M laptop using a neighbor's Wifi could afford to actually buy the retail box software? No. There never was going to be any sale to begin with, hence it's not a "lost sale."
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This.
People fail to realize that a large percentage of piracy is due to inability to afford the product. It's very very rampant in some places like Brazil. Do you honestly think a poor 16 year old Brazilian student who torrents Photoshop on his Pentium M laptop using a neighbor's Wifi could afford to actually buy the retail box software? No. There never was going to be any sale to begin with, hence it's not a "lost sale."

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common sense wins against greed

Greed?
Yeah, god forbid people wanting other people to pay for their games/music/movies on which they worked hard and spent a lot of time developing.
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I love Swiss. They've got alot of thing right that Sweden doesn't.
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This.
People fail to realize that a large percentage of piracy is due to inability to afford the product. It's very very rampant in some places like Brazil. Do you honestly think a poor 16 year old Brazilian student who torrents Photoshop on his Pentium M laptop using a neighbor's Wifi could afford to actually buy the retail box software? No. There never was going to be any sale to begin with, hence it's not a "lost sale."

I don't think many students in 1st world countries can afford Photoshop especially at $1000 per copy laugher.gif
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Greed?
Yeah, god forbid people wanting other people to pay for their games/music/movies on which they worked hard and spent a lot of time developing.

That's not greed, that's normal.

What's greedy is when studios lock down their product with restrictive DRM in the hopes that every single person on Earth who has ever taken a sideways glance at their product sends them money, and when they cry that they'd go out of business and starve if they didn't do so.
Edited by Malcolm - 12/8/11 at 7:37am
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Who wants to pay for Single Player?

And thats why game developers head to consoles, people will actually pay for their games, and there is still a market for singleplayer games there unlike PC. If everyone thought the way that people do in this thread, there would be no games to pirate.
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You're doing the same thing the industry does, Piracy =/= Lost Sales.

Not at a 1:1 ratio, but there are absolutely people who pirate copies of things they would have bought if they couldn't pirate it, I personally know a couple people like this. Those are lost sales. Even if it's only 10% of the people pirating that would of paid, that's still a huge amount of money denied from the people who put a lot of hard work into the product. Pirating is not a good thing, however you swing it.

Games need to start intertwining more with Steam/Origin for key game functions like putting a battlelog-like launch platform in the Steam client, or having frequent updates that are only linked to the game via Origin, where any install sans-Origin wouldn't be able to link the update to the game. DRM needs to get smarter, not more restrictive.
Edited by -Apocalypse- - 12/8/11 at 7:53am
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This.
People fail to realize that a large percentage of piracy is due to inability to afford the product. It's very very rampant in some places like Brazil. Do you honestly think a poor 16 year old Brazilian student who torrents Photoshop on his Pentium M laptop using a neighbor's Wifi could afford to actually buy the retail box software? No. There never was going to be any sale to begin with, hence it's not a "lost sale."



And some of those people become PRODUCERS in the economy with utility programs like that and then later BUY the program when they can afford it. I know of such cases where people were using photoshop in venezuela actually. The woman and her husband became pretty well off 3 d designer artists and they eventually BOUGHT the same program they had pirated years earlier.


Im not saying this is a common occurance but it does happen. If they hadnt pirated photoshop and other 3d rendering applications they never would have been able to buy it.



How is that for irony. Piracy CREATING a sale.
 
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I don't think many students in 1st world countries can afford Photoshop especially at $1000 per copy laugher.gif

Students get a discount, the entire CS5 with student discount is 449.00 compared to 1899.00, Photoshop by itself is 299 vs 1000. Pirating copyrighted "For Sale" software is stealing, which is illegal. For the instance of downloading Photoshop in Brazil, there are trials. If it is that important, do the trails, don't steal. The argument always gets raised that developers are no longer doing demos or trials of their software, well if your not going to buy the software without a demo, don't steal it, just simply don't waste your time with that developer if your purchasing method does not line up with their marketing strategies. They will get the hint sooner or later, just send them a letter every time.
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