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Originally Posted by guyladouche View Post

I would agree that they seem slow to respond to advancements in technology, but I would say that most media (other than video games) have been. Business models are tough to change once you start going down them. However, even with the perceived slowness of change, if the excuse for music file sharing is because the physical medium isn't wanted, then it's a non-issue since there are a lot of current file distribution methods. Maybe that was not the case a decade ago, but it is today yet people still participate in file-sharing. It's not because of the medium anymore (if it ever really was)--it's because if there's a way for people to get something for free, they'll do it until they can't.

Alright, i agree with you but it is nothing new. We've always made copies of our music to pass it around. When I was a kid we used to record from the radio or gave a tape to the local DJ to record the newest songs on it. Albeit the potential loss for the labels was less obvious but it was still there.

The new distribution methods are indeed around but it appears that the labels are fighting them for some reason, they basically try to change the consumers demands. And music has always been free, on radio, at the local disco (well, the scotch wasn't free lol) or even on TV. Now everything is being regulated by the labels. Seriously, when was last time you heard a novelty on radio. They keep repeating the same 20 years old songs over and over.

Anyway, it's my view of things. Maybe I am too entrenched in other industries to see this one clearly but, if I were them (the labels), I'd move forward with a radical new approach of the market before it is too late (basically before Google starts producing music and movies and streams them freely on youtube lol)
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Why would I want that? Stop being over-dramatic.

Over-dramatic? did you re-read your question? You basically asked me to publish my company's ownership details on the forum. That's a bit extreme dontcha think?

Anyway, I am in import/export of wood in Hong Kong (logs and flooring). If you're really interested I can send you the details by PM.
Edited by yannickhk - 12/9/11 at 3:03pm
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Technically, one would need to storm through offices, steal all original paperwork, data files, sketches, etc. to be considered a pirate, right? lml.
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Alright, i agree with you but it is nothing new. We've always made copies of our music to pass it around. When I was a kid we used to record from the radio or gave a tape to the local DJ to record the newest songs on it. Albeit the potential loss for the labels was less obvious but it was still there.
The new distribution methods are indeed around but it appears that the labels are fighting them for some reason, they basically try to change the consumers demands. And music has always been free, on radio, at the local disco (well, the scotch wasn't free lol) or even on TV. Now everything is being regulated by the labels. Seriously, when was last time you heard a novelty on radio. They keep repeating the same 20 years old songs over and over.
Anyway, it's my view of things. Maybe I am too entrenched in other industries to see this one clearly but, if I were them (the labels), I'd move forward with a radical new approach of the market before it is too late (basically before Google starts producing music and movies and streams them freely on youtube lol)
Over-dramatic? did you re-read your question? You basically asked me to publish my company's ownership details on the forum. That's a bit extreme dontcha think?
Anyway, I am in import/export of wood in Hong Kong (logs and flooring). If you're really interested I can send you the details by PM.

Yeah, I think the industry doesn't take well to things that don't have direct material value, and the psychological impact of that. A few bits of data sitting on a server somewhere have very little perceived value vs. a nice, shiny CD sitting in a jewel case waiting for a happy customer to snatch it up. I think their preoccupation with material worth really held back important advancements.
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Technically, one would need to storm through offices, steal all original paperwork, data files, sketches, etc. to be considered a pirate, right? lml.

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Don't forget taking their wenches!

I never forget the wenches.
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DRM exists to show stupidity of its makers and to hurt paying customers and make their lives harder than it already is.

I see. But isnt the main point of DRM is for "protection"?
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Why would I want that? Stop being over-dramatic.
If you have nothing to prove then you have nothing to argue.
I was referring to people like THQ who make a crap low. If you were able to read down to the last line, you might have understood what I meant.
So, based on your argument, if no sales are given, they still make money? You need to understand how the company actually makes money. Music industry doesn't make there money by selling CDs. Gaming industry on the other hand, makes their money based on sales.
Doesn't matter how much a company is making compared to previous. If you understood how markets grow then you'd understand that. The gaming industry is growing, but only a few companies are making it big. Most of the little guys, or quality players, don't make enough as they should to invest in their next big title. Have fun enjoying the same game year after year because you care about giving crap companies more money. The industry should have been more, because the companies make their money on sales, not by events.
Valve and blizzard are exceptions. They actually make quality products.
Stop trying to argue that when a company doesn't make sales, or in the end relies on moral grounding to make their sales of a physical product, then no, sorry, you'll just get laughed at. If you understand market theory, then how do you think grocery stores make their money? The food retail just continues to grow, and as more and more people populate the country, so does products stolen. Doesn't mean they are not at a low. But the moment you think that piracy doesn't hurt the industry, then you might want to actually understand what you are talking about.
Saint Rows 3? Company of heroes? Should I go on?
GG.

Saint Row 3 and Company of Heroes? Those are games that fit in a niche market. I personally have been playing CoH with two of my friends since its release in 3v3 and that game is by no means a game that's made for everyone, including seasoned RTS fans. CoH is strictly an online game, and you cannot play online without a valid account linked to a valid CD-Key. It's lack of sales has nothing to do with piracy. Saints Row 3 is also another niche game. You cannot blame all lack of sales in games due to piracy. Its absurd to do so. Seriously, has it ever dawned to you that maybe lack of sales means either a lack of market, priced to high for the content given, or the game just sucks?

Edit:
Toss in a lack of advising as well.
Edited by konoii - 12/9/11 at 4:15pm
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If you can afford the program, you will buy it...If you can't you'll either download it or save 3 months for it. So...There not losing much.thumb.gif
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After reading this I just went and torrented my own software then halfway through looked at all the people downloading illegally. Then I looked at my last sales report and then again back at the 'filler' data I put into the product. They use more bandwidth and I still make money.

Piracy? No problem here biggrin.gif
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Students get a discount, the entire CS5 with student discount is 449.00 compared to 1899.00, Photoshop by itself is 299 vs 1000. Pirating copyrighted "For Sale" software is stealing, which is illegal. For the instance of downloading Photoshop in Brazil, there are trials. If it is that important, do the trails, don't steal. The argument always gets raised that developers are no longer doing demos or trials of their software, well if your not going to buy the software without a demo, don't steal it, just simply don't waste your time with that developer if your purchasing method does not line up with their marketing strategies. They will get the hint sooner or later, just send them a letter every time.

Actually it is much more than that

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