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And as i have just said, i have just run some tests on BF3 with my 955 and get 99% GPU usage on SLI460's. The bottleneck will be minimal, if it exists at all. thumb.gif

the only difference from my friends setup from yours is 6870CF, processor clock speed and resolution(he's running at 1080p)

maybe the 300mhz and NB overclock made a big difference? my math is effed up with BF3 anyways. a six core phenom II clocked at a measly 2.8ghz maxed out the gpu's with low cpu loads -.-"

oh well. just wanted to help the OP. I'm getting really curious tbh. I'm thinking of installing BF3 here in my htpc. I'm having second thoughts if it's worth the hassle. installing the game, origin and updates all over again(pausing my downloads too) just to appease my curiosity tongue.gif
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Your system or same cpu + 6850/70CF is a well balanced rig anyway. If you had 6950/70s or 570/580s thou, you wouldn't get much improvement on crowded scenes alas Min FPS biggrin.gif

No, he'd still get improvements, just it won't be as much as on an Intel system.
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post #23 of 26
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With a single card, the 955BE is just fine. I have an unlocked 555 and at 3.2ghz, I don't get any CPU bottleneck at 1920x1080.
If you are doing CF/SLI you may want to overclock it some or look into a 1090t though. But BF3 has been proven that CPU brand doesn't mean much with a single card and when you turn the graphics up. It likes cores and speed, not brand name.

That's only because it will use at least 8 cores, but most games are only supporting two threads, and I don't see much change until new consoles come out, but then we'll probably be seeing four threads assuming they alienate the older consoles and don't release for both systems. I doubt most developers will jump ship to the new consoles until there is a larger user base, because it's all about where the money is, so I'm expecting things to be ported from the 360 to whatever the next xbox is.

A 955 should not be a bottleneck here, I had one and the fps was about as good as my friend with a stock 2600k but 5GHz helped a little bit.
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post #24 of 26
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No, he'd still get improvements, just it won't be as much as on an Intel system.

^this

my 1090T + 470 SLI was great. upgraded to 480 SLI. little to no improvement

switching to i7 950 was a huge boost. esp with 2 threaded games. we still live in a 2 threaded world in gaming.
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Originally Posted by Catscratch View Post

You must take CPU <-> GPU data transfer into account. So when CPU struggles the data transfer will be less to GPU so GPU usage won't be %90. That's also why when game loads an area, fps drops because CPU is handling loading too. So whenever you see %40 cpu %100 gpu, that time, the data transfer is more than your GPU can handle, if it's vice versa, there are things happening that your cpu is boggled and can't handle the data transfer to GPU. That's why multi-threading is important so CPU can send the max data it can to GPU.
That leads to:
There's also poor coding like in Skyrim(port?) so game demands too much from both and even gtx590 go 30 fps in cities. And poor old games like WoW and all 2 threaded games. Coding is also important biggrin.gif Otherwise on properly multi-threaded games, 1100t is more than enough, you wouldn't see %50 fps difference in WoW.

I know most games require a VERY fast dual core. I had originally planed to purchase an 1100T and clock first two cores to 6ghz, rest locked, people said its a waste so never tried.

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Overclock the 955 to 4Ghz put the CPU-NB at 2.8 or 3Ghz if possible and you will be fine for 1080p gaming. Your machine will beat your friends if you do that. Also get 1600 or 1800mhz ram and tighten those timings that should help with overall response of the system.
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^ this.
with a single 560 Ti I wouldn't worry about bottlenecking. but as the Op said he's considering getting another gtx 560 Ti. imo a phenom II 955 is still enough. although I'm not sure if it will be enough for BF3
another 560ti with h80 definitely

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of course I did my homework. similar setups like FX4100 @ 4.8ghz, Phenom II 955's at 3.8ghz was bottlenecking as well. it convinced me it was a cpu bottleneck. switching to 1055t fixed it for him. he hardly spend much because we got a used 1055T and sold his 955BE as well. I just wanted to share my exp. I'm just sharing my personal exp tongue.gif believe me i'm not spreading BS hehe
luckily we got a good clocking 1055T. was a little worried overclocking at a 4+1 power phase gigabye board. it had heatsinks on the vrm's so I still overclocked on it. got 4ghz very easily with only 1.425v. I told him to run prime overnight and it was stable for 12 hours smile.gif

I ran this chip in 2+1 phase 95w board, it ran crysis 2 fine for 2hrs 40-55% load, but that was on a 5670
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He has said that a new CPU + MB is not a viable option.
Why does every thread end in someone recommending a SB processor, even where a new processor is no required.
There will be a minimal bottleneck with 2 560ti's if you overclock your processor, maybe 10-15% at the most.
They are solid cards and when the time comes, they can always be put into a new rig with a new CPU. But right now, a 955 is absolutely fine for any game out there.
SLI is fairly faultless now. Ive only ever had a few driver issues that were easily solved.

Thanks for pointing that out
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I think it's the coding of the game. the 1055t maxed out the 6870's really easily also with low cpu loads. if you do the math it doesn't make any sense. surely a similar cpu minus two cores should be enough but alas it wasn't.
haven't really tried BF3 on my htpc (phenom II 955 @ 3.6ghz and gtx 470 overclocked) very similar to the op's system. I might install it just for this. although dealing with origin is a pain frown.gif

If you ever try it out, benchmark the second level with fraps, ultra, vsync off
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yep. ideally you want the gpu maxed out. how about when a lot is happening in the screen? with less extensive scenes are less taxing on the cpu it's good to check the loads if there is a lot going on. it seems like your cpu is bottlenecking. with some scenes that are more cpu extensive it is bottlenecking hence lower gpu usage = lower fps. with your friend's i7 the cpu is able to feed the gpu the sufficient processing power it needs so his fps is constant and gpu load is always maxed out

during a firefight it stays at 30fps+, 30fps in smoke + fire, 33fps in either smoke or fire. other than that during map change its 20fps for 3s

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Originally Posted by jprovido View Post

the only difference from my friends setup from yours is 6870CF, processor clock speed and resolution(he's running at 1080p)
maybe the 300mhz and NB overclock made a big difference? my math is effed up with BF3 anyways. a six core phenom II clocked at a measly 2.8ghz maxed out the gpu's with low cpu loads -.-"
oh well. just wanted to help the OP. I'm getting really curious tbh. I'm thinking of installing BF3 here in my htpc. I'm having second thoughts if it's worth the hassle. installing the game, origin and updates all over again(pausing my downloads too) just to appease my curiosity tongue.gif
Curiosity killed the cat, lol

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That's only because it will use at least 8 cores, but most games are only supporting two threads, and I don't see much change until new consoles come out, but then we'll probably be seeing four threads assuming they alienate the older consoles and don't release for both systems. I doubt most developers will jump ship to the new consoles until there is a larger user base, because it's all about where the money is, so I'm expecting things to be ported from the 360 to whatever the next xbox is.
A 955 should not be a bottleneck here, I had one and the fps was about as good as my friend with a stock 2600k but 5GHz helped a little bit.

how much help(in terms of fps gain) we talking here?
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P.S. I ran this chip in a 2+1 phase board in 4Ghz, NB 2600mhz, I still wonder how it survived crysis 2 for 2hrs, a 125W in a 95W with 4ghz could have been obliterated. quite a close call, or maybe it could run like that?
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