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I run my loop CPU -> GPU now and I used to run it GPU -> CPU and the temp differences are negligible. Running BOINC at 1.7vCore with GPU working too still keeps GPU temps under 50 which is still 30 degrees better than it had on stock cooling. You could put the radiator smack-dab in between the CPU and the GPU and the coolant would still have to pass through both blocks before getting to the rad again.

well thats why i recommended another small rad

the reason why loop sequence matters is this:

When the water gets heated up from a block and travels to a radiator, the water cools back down, and then goes to another block, heats up, then hits another rad, then cools....and so on...
BUT when you run water from a hot block to another hot block....the temps rises even more, and once it hits that radiator, it takes more for it to cool down...the delta is too high and thus you get worse temp.

the hotter water is, the faster it can heat up (until boiling point, at which this slows substantially)...but the hotter water is, the slower it cools down....and this works vice versa (until freezing point)
so by running rads in between each block, you can effectively keep the temps down simply because of the delta being lower.

2x 120mm rads would outperform his 1x 240mm rad if they were setup correctly
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I ordered a resevoir and pump combo by xspc. XSPC X2O DC-750 - Dual 5.25" Bay-Res Pump/Reservoir Combo. So the inlet to it is the res and the outlet is from the pump.
So it will be like this, outlet of pump to the GPU, then to the radiator then to the CPU and then back to the res.

PUMP----(T Fitting For Drainage)----GPU----[RAD]----CPU----Res

Would that work?

Also, I may have some fans I can put ontop of the radiator to use for "pull" fans. I also might be able to make a shroud.
Edited by aar0nsky - 12/12/11 at 9:47am
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I ordered a resevoir and pump combo by xspc. XSPC X2O DC-750 - Dual 5.25" Bay-Res Pump/Reservoir Combo. So the inlet to it is the res and the outlet is from the pump.
So it will be like this, outlet of pump to the GPU, then to the radiator then to the CPU and then back to the res.
PUMP----(T Fitting For Drainage)----GPU----[RAD]----CPU----Res
Would that work?
Also, I may have some fans I can put ontop of the radiator to use for "pull" fans. I also might be able to make a shroud.

yea that looks fine. Your CPU is more thermaly fragile than the GPU so that sort of looks like the best possibility.
before you add more components tho, you should snag up another 120mm rad or two

sweet on the shroud, they help insanely much. only thing i don't like about shrouds is that you need to figure out how to fit the damn radiator somewhere tongue.gif
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well thats why i recommended another small rad
the reason why loop sequence matters is this:
When the water gets heated up from a block and travels to a radiator, the water cools back down, and then goes to another block, heats up, then hits another rad, then cools....and so on...
BUT when you run water from a hot block to another hot block....the temps rises even more, and once it hits that radiator, it takes more for it to cool down...the delta is too high and thus you get worse temp.
the hotter water is, the faster it can heat up (until boiling point, at which this slows substantially)...but the hotter water is, the slower it cools down....and this works vice versa (until freezing point)
so by running rads in between each block, you can effectively keep the temps down simply because of the delta being lower.
2x 120mm rads would outperform his 1x 240mm rad if they were setup correctly

You clearly don't even have a basic understanding of thermodynamics. I'm not going to bother educating you since you are even willing to ignore my empirical evidence. Maybe you'll pay more attention to some data from a third party:

monstatesting1.png

that's from martinsliquidlab.org, the only radiator results I could find on the site. As you can see, it's all raw data and quite comprehensive and unless you are going insist that numbers lie you should have a look at the part of the chart that covers "Water; IN/OUT". As you can see, only with the most extreme wattage input is there more than one degree of difference between the water going into the rad and coming out of it. That is all I have left to say.
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I will probably get another 120mm rad and mount it to the back of my case when i get some more funds. it will be dedicated to my gpu. and the 240 will be for my cpu. I will have some pics posted tonight. Everything should be arriving this week so this weekend at the latest i will have completed pictures. As for right now I will stay with the loop setup i posted before since no one has objected.PUMP----(T Fitting For Drainage)----GPU----[RAD]----CPU----Res
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You clearly don't even have a basic understanding of thermodynamics. I'm not going to bother educating you since you are even willing to ignore my empirical evidence. Maybe you'll pay more attention to some data from a third party:

that's from martinsliquidlab.org, the only radiator results I could find on the site. As you can see, it's all raw data and quite comprehensive and unless you are going insist that numbers lie you should have a look at the part of the chart that covers "Water; IN/OUT". As you can see, only with the most extreme wattage input is there more than one degree of difference between the water going into the rad and coming out of it. That is all I have left to say.

....dude,
do you even know what your posting???
this isn't relative considering there is only one heat source
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I will probably get another 120mm rad and mount it to the back of my case when i get some more funds. it will be dedicated to my gpu. and the 240 will be for my cpu. I will have some pics posted tonight. Everything should be arriving this week so this weekend at the latest i will have completed pictures. As for right now I will stay with the loop setup i posted before since no one has objected.PUMP----(T Fitting For Drainage)----GPU----[RAD]----CPU----Res

sounds good man, you gunna take some pics while ur working on it?
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You don't need an extra 120mm rad, which I've not only demonstrated with the above facts but even have a Core 2 processor and Fermi gfx card just like you that I'm currently running beautifully off a single 240. You are likely going to need that money for extra fittings, so if you are truly on a budget you will reconsider going for a second rad
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are you serious? what are you basing the need of this extra 120mm rad on? I thought you were on a budget? Don't tell me you're actually going to listen to this Hazzeedaze guy who has no idea what he's saying, at least in reference to the heat dissipation requirements in a water loop. It's really a shame OCN doesn't have mods who can prevent the spreading of erroneous opinions as facts. Ah well, I'm not going to upset myself over this. Enjoy spending on that extra rad the money you'll more likely be needing for extra fittings.

:shrug:
to each his own i suppose
do what you do and ima do what i do.

EDIT: sorry if i upset you for some reason, but dude...this is OCN...a PC enthusiast site...he will be overclocking everything..."check the OP"
so why would you recommend he half ass things instead of doing it right.
sure you can prolly run just fine off your 240 but i can't do that in my loop...i've got SERIOUS OCs on my stuff and have a rad comited for each compenent...maybe that's just because im a perfectionist, i don't know but i'll tell ya, i have amazing temps...5 - 8 degrees over ambient running prime AND 3dmark 2011 at the same time.
that's what liquid cooling is all about
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I will probably get another 120mm rad and mount it to the back of my case when i get some more funds. it will be dedicated to my gpu. and the 240 will be for my cpu. I will have some pics posted tonight. Everything should be arriving this week so this weekend at the latest i will have completed pictures. As for right now I will stay with the loop setup i posted before since no one has objected.PUMP----(T Fitting For Drainage)----GPU----[RAD]----CPU----Res

awesome dude, have fun with that new build smile.gif
cant wait to see the pics
Edited by Hazzeedayz - 12/12/11 at 10:48am
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:shrug:
to each his own i suppose
do what you do and ima do what i do.

Bah you caught me before I had a chance to edit. Look, I'm not meaning to be offensive but you are purposefully being wilfully ignorant here which is not only counter-productive but it casts a very poor light on the quality of advice that can be expected from OCN. Sure, this is an open forum where people have the right to express their opinions without being attacked or judged negatively for it, but when you pass off your opinion of physics as fact that's a totally different thing and serves only to turn people who are truly knowledgeable away. I'm not wilfully ignorant, I joined OCN to learn and I would love to hear from and learn from someone who actually has a degree in mechanical engineering knowing that they've studied thermodynamics in an academic capacity. But when you post stuff like you've posted in this thread, it discourages knowledgeable people from posting because they can see their knowledge will fall on mostly deaf ears and sadly their time is more valuable than ours likely is, so they're not going to waste it arguing on the internet with people who insist they know more than a professional who is actually employed in the field related to the topic being discussed.
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Bah you caught me before I had a chance to edit. Look, I'm not meaning to be offensive but you are purposefully being wilfully ignorant here which is not only counter-productive but it casts a very poor light on the quality of advice that can be expected from OCN. Sure, this is an open forum where people have the right to express their opinions without being attacked or judged negatively for it, but when you pass off your opinion of physics as fact that's a totally different thing and serves only to turn people who are truly knowledgeable away. I'm not wilfully ignorant, I joined OCN to learn and I would love to hear from and learn from someone who actually has a degree in mechanical engineering knowing that they've studied thermodynamics in an academic capacity. But when you post stuff like you've posted in this thread, it discourages knowledgeable people from posting because they can see their knowledge will fall on mostly deaf ears and sadly their time is more valuable than ours likely is, so they're not going to waste it arguing on the internet with people who insist they know more than a professional who is actually employed in the field related to the topic being discussed.

i never said i knew more than anyone....
i just put my two cents in...which is all from my personal experience
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