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Look, it's not much faster for my needs, despite the fact that it has a 600Mhz turbo core advantage.

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4FPS is bad considering it's clocked higher (higher two core turbo).

SBe isn't clocking higher at lower voltage than SB, so why would you use a general term to make it seem like it would always be faster, and would never, could never be beat?



Yeah if I had quad sli you might have a point, but for my needs and many other peoples needs here often SBe is slower, because it isn't any faster clock for clock and is actually unable to clock as well it seems. Have you seen any prime 95 5GHz clubs for SBe yet?
    
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Look, it's not much faster for my needs, despite the fact that it has a 600Mhz turbo core advantage.
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4FPS is bad considering it's clocked higher (higher two core turbo).
SBe isn't clocking higher at lower voltage than SB, so why would you use a general term to make it seem like it would always be faster, and would never, could never be beat?
Yeah if I had quad sli you might have a point, but for my needs and many other peoples needs here often SBe is slower, because it isn't any faster clock for clock and is actually unable to clock as well it seems. Have you seen any prime 95 5GHz clubs for SBe yet?

SB-e on single core would turbo to 3.9GHz. 2500K would turbo to 3.7GHz I believe. I don't know where you pulled the 600MHz from.

Also to be fair, SB only offers 16 lanes as opposed to 40 lanes. I myself have a sound card and 2 GTX 580s. That would have meant 8x for the top video card, 4x for the sound card and the last 4x for the bottom video card, which I wasn't happy with. And if I ever wanted tri-SLI, my performance would have been affected even more.
 
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/yawn
There is another one.
Look, it's great that you can use 12 threads, so it's a good purchase for you. But calling it the best when it isn't doesn't help your case.
Let me know when you're going to do some benches in the benchmarking forum, I'd love to see what all that extra money spent actually earned you.
http://www.overclock.net/f/21/benchmarking-software-and-discussion
There is nothing wrong with SBe if you need the cores, just like there is nothing wrong with SB if you don't. Calling one better than the other only serves to incite arguments, there are two options because there are two different types of users with different types of usage. For your needs SBe is the best, for someone like me, SB is.
Bashing SB users or others who want to upgrade to a $200~ quad core that will be faster than your $600 hex core in their tasks with their needs is just juvenile, and shows you're only here to justify the money you spent.

QFT. There is a lot of SB-e snobbery going around these days as if SB just sucks now. The 2500k/2600k processors are the best quad cores on the market and if you are just gaming and doing normal computing they are better than SB-E. I believe SB is still faster in single-threaded apps as well. That being said, in something like Cinebench the 3930k is simply a beast! I'd love to do a SB-E build but I can't justify the expense considering my needs....
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I never thought I would see interchip fanboyism.
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SB-e on single core would turbo to 3.9GHz. 2500K would turbo to 3.7GHz I believe. I don't know where you pulled the 600MHz from.

Also to be fair, SB only offers 16 lanes as opposed to 40 lanes. I myself have a sound card and 2 GTX 580s. That would have meant 8x for the top video card, 4x for the sound card and the last 4x for the bottom video card, which I wasn't happy with. And if I ever wanted tri-SLI, my performance would have been affected even more.


Sorry it would be more like 300MHz, Sb-e would be at 3.9GHz since it's dual core, and the i5-2500k would be at 3.6GHz.


I'm running three gpus in my board, 8x8x4x, I'm not going to tell you that it was dumb of you to spend $600 on a cpu and $470 on a board so you could run SLI with a audio card, it's not my place. But please don't pretend those choices would suit everyones needs and your needs make it the best option for everyone else.
    
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Sorry it would be more like 300MHz, Sb-e would be at 3.9GHz since it's dual core, and the i5-2500k would be at 3.6GHz.
I'm running three gpus in my board, 8x8x4x, I'm not going to tell you that it was dumb of you to spend $600 on a cpu and $470 on a board so you could run SLI with a audio card, it's not my place. But please don't pretend those choices would suit everyones needs and your needs make it the best option for everyone else.

I never criticized you on your choice of hardware so I don't think it's in your place to criticize mine. Also with your platform you will never get 8x8x4 even with NF200 on your motherboard since SB only offers 16 lanes. Also I never said my hardware choices are the best for everyone. I never said that. Please point out where I said that. And why was it dumb of myself to spend $600? To you that $600 might be a lot but to me it isn't.

And no, single core SB-E turbos to 3.9GHz so it would be a 200MHz clock speed difference. Not sure about its impact on SC2 since it takes advantage of 2 threads?
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You took that wrong.


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8x 8x 4x

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The 3960X has the same 3.9GHz max turbo frequency as the Core i7 2700K, that's with 1 - 2 cores active. With 5 - 6 cores active the max turbo drops to a respectable 3.6GHz.

http://www.anandtech.com/show/5091/intel-core-i7-3960x-sandy-bridge-e-review-keeping-the-high-end-alive
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Look, it's not much faster for my needs, despite the fact that it has a 600Mhz turbo core advantage.
420
4FPS is bad considering it's clocked higher (higher two core turbo).
SBe isn't clocking higher at lower voltage than SB, so why would you use a general term to make it seem like it would always be faster, and would never, could never be beat?
Yeah if I had quad sli you might have a point, but for my needs and many other peoples needs here often SBe is slower, because it isn't any faster clock for clock and is actually unable to clock as well it seems. Have you seen any prime 95 5GHz clubs for SBe yet?

Balla, the difference is that the SandyBridge isn't as stable as the 2011 platform. Yes you can overclock the hell out of a 2500K,2600k or 2700K ... but i think that everyone here knows the stability is not 100% guaranteed. Everyone has had that feeling that "it's stable now" and one night... bam ... BSOD.

As for the 2011 platform, i've been testing with a friend and the damn thing is rock solid.

Yes, i think when you do a comparison between 1155 and 2011 the price tag of the last one is way up for what you get. But let's face it, it's not all about overclocking capabilities & performance... it's about getting your system overclocked and stable as a bull. These points were where the X58 platform rulled. I mean, taking my system as an example, i can get the system to 4.5Ghz HT on with "only" 1.41vcore and it will handle everything... where the experiences with SB were, well... i had stability of course, but at some point i would have some kind of BSOD or glitch that would make me retest everything.

This is just my opinion and my facts, i'm not saying that you have stability problems. The main idea here is just to understand that you can put an Subaru Impreza with 450HP ... but at some point there are problems of engine stability, where in a more robust engine ( V6 for example ) you can get the same horse power and make twice the millage without any problems at all wink.gif
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Balla, the difference is that the SandyBridge isn't as stable as the 2011 platform. Yes you can overclock the hell out of a 2500K,2600k or 2700K ... but i think that everyone here knows the stability is not 100% guaranteed. Everyone has had that feeling that "it's stable now" and one night... bam ... BSOD.
As for the 2011 platform, i've been testing with a friend and the damn thing is rock solid.
Yes, i think when you do a comparison between 1155 and 2011 the price tag of the last one is way up for what you get. But let's face it, it's not all about overclocking capabilities & performance... it's about getting your system overclocked and stable as a bull. These points were where the X58 platform rulled. I mean, taking my system as an example, i can get the system to 4.5Ghz HT on with "only" 1.41vcore and it will handle everything... where the experiences with SB were, well... i had stability of course, but at some point i would have some kind of BSOD or glitch that would make me retest everything.
This is just my opinion and my facts, i'm not saying that you have stability problems. The main idea here is just to understand that you can put an Subaru Impreza with 450HP ... but at some point there are problems of engine stability, where in a more robust engine ( V6 for example ) you can get the same horse power and make twice the millage without any problems at all wink.gif

Thats funny, I dont know if its just me, but since ive put my current sig rig together, ive had nothing but trouble...

Fully stock and i get random black screens where I have to reboot, and Ive reinstalled twice because I wasnt happy the first time.

My second sig rig (C2Q) was really solid at 4GHz, but this new SB-E one... Not so much...
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Really? That's odd! smile.gif

From various test we did, once we understood what needed to be fine tuned, the system was rock solid. But, as i've said, the previous post was my opinion and my experiences with both systems. I'm not saying it's a general rule. Although, you can be missing some key points on the overclocking that leads you to instability.

But, out of curiosity , you're having problems @ stock too ? It's a new platform... remember the days where 4Ghz on the X58 was "WOW" ... and then, when people started to understand how everything worked, and how voltages affected the stability, we started to see some higher clocks @ lower voltage? ( And it was not only because the first were C0 and the D0 was better silicon ). Give it some time tongue.gif
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