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To be honest, its hard to argue that there is any price difference between Console and PC gaming, I see it as being pretty similar.

The cost of an average gaming computer would be about 600 bucks, be able to play any game available decently. Just taking some examples from 2011, you could run Skyrim, MW3 and Deus Ex maxed out on a rig of that level, Witcher 2 and BF3 not so much, but still playable at good settings.

The cost of a console and a laptop would be around that price as well.
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Another point on that chart to dismiss is the $10 extra console games cost. That used to be true but now almost every major title for PC is selling for 60 bucks as well. I'm willing to bet that in another year tops all will sale for that

On this point, I completely disagree with you. I have bought a few PC titles this year on release and have payed a reduced price for each one.

BF3: $40
Deus Ex: HR: $34
Witcher 2: $33

I've bought about 30-40 games off Steam Sales and Indie Bundles this year as well for less than 100 dollars.
I've seen games released only a few months ago be on sale for a vastly reduced price: Witcher 2 ($15), Rage ($20), BF3 ($30), Dead Space 2 ($5), etc.

Good luck finding any deals like that on console. Even with used games, you are still going to spend 40+ dollars for games that were recently released.
Edited by Grief - 12/9/11 at 6:55pm
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Then you add a $400 PC to the console.
You do not need a console if you're a pc gamer.
You still need a pc, even if you prefer console games, to do all the other things you need.
edit: I can has spelling

True that, I don't see that much great console only titles, let's put it this way for example if you want to play basketball buy a PC and 2 gamepads/joysticks, in addition to that you could get a 42 inch TV, feels like a console already, only thing that lacks in PC gaming is that there aren't much titles for offline coop.
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Factor in that most people have a computer in their house. They probably spend around $400 on that. If they also have a console, you get rid of those, and you have yourself a $700 pc already. That will make minced meat out of a console. It doesn't take $1000+.
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Factor in that most people have a computer in their house. They probably spend around $400 on that. If they also have a console, you get rid of those, and you have yourself a $700 pc already. That will make minced meat out of a console. It doesn't take $1000+.

You can't use that though b/c you can't get rid of a console and magically get your $400 bucks back. When you upgrade your PC are you able to sell your old one for the same price you paid for it? No of course not. So it's not fair to say getting rid of a console would somehow = a $400 better PC. Besides most of those pc's in peoples house can't be upgraded that easily.

Lastly it's easy to say a $700 PC would be better then a console right now. How old are the consoles though?? To put it on fair ground you'd have to see how much a PC that came out around the same time the consoles came out would cost. I bet if you would have built a PC that could play Skyrim on decent settings like a console back when the consoles were released you would have had to spend 2 grand.
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I love PC gaming. More so then any console. However I don't care how you slice it there is no way in Earth you can convince me that it's cheaper then console gaming. It's not even close. Only extreme PC users try to argue with adjusted stats that say it is.
Even if the Xbox 360 hardware is old as dirt (which it is) there is no way you will build a gaming PC for 300 bucks that will play Skyrim just as well as it runs on the 360. Another point on that chart to dismiss is the $10 extra console games cost. That used to be true but now almost every major title for PC is selling for 60 bucks as well. I'm willing to bet that in another year tops all will sale for that.
People also like to point out how console users have to spend thousands on an HDTV. Well for one that is not true as you do not HAVE to spend that and buy an HDTV. You could very well play on standard def. Secondly even if you DID buy a HDTV you can't contribute that cost to only the console as I'm positive most people will use that HDTV for regular TV viewing as well. Finally the cost of HDTV's have nose dived. It's pretty easy to get a 32" HDTV for the same price you would pay for a good quality 22" monitor for the PC. Even if you do that I'll have to say that since you always hold the quality of consoles to the fire I'll hold yours and say I'd much rather game on 32" of space then 22".
Xbox live fees should not be counted as you in no way have to have xbox live for console gaming. Even if you do say you have to have it there are plenty of PC only titles that charge 15 bucks a month, so all in all that point is moot.
So with all that said (and I'll bring more into this) lets look at that chart again.
Cost to door I'll agree with. Difference in price = +600 pc
4 years of games that are $10 more on console I do not agree with as most PC titles charge the same. difference in price = 0
4 years of Xbox live fees I do not agree with. Not every console user has it just like not every PC user does MMO's. Difference in price = 0
Incompatible accessories need to be repurchased. What does that mean? I buy accessories for PC more then I do my console. Sorry that's just BS. Difference in price = 0
Upgrading video card. Looks like I'm bashing PC gaming but you have to admit our technology goes much faster, have to agree. Difference in price = +220 pc
Upgrade time for PC and a new console. I'll give the pc this even though it's truthfully not fair. a 6 year old PC will not play Skyrim as well as a 6 year old Xbox 360. Regardless I'll agree with spreadsheet. Difference in price = +182 PC
After that you get the same points that are complete BS again that simply tack on some imaginary fee that pro pc users used against the console. it's unfair because the can and does have counter charges for just about all of them.
So in general if you use some common sense PC gaming comes out to be $1102 more expensive.
Sorry that's a long post but that chart was just absolutely insane and it's obviously biased towards PC gaming. (no its not)

I will start with the HDTV: 1. you do not need to buy an expensive HDTV. 2. the chart did not include price of computer monitor 3. you can use consoles on a computer monitor

Xbox live fees:Sure you can not pay Xbox Live fees, but then you have NO MULTIPLAYER, compared to free multiplayer on every PC game. Yes sure you have to pay 15$ a month to play certain MMO's on pc, but if you play MMO's like final fantasy online on xbox, you have to pay MMO fees IN ADDITION to xbox live gold fees. So yet again it is more expensive.

Price of games:Console games are more expensive by far more than 10$, PC users have Steam and Steam has Steam sales. Skyrim was 50% off last steam sale, other big games were 50% off and a lot of games were 75$ to 80$ off. We regularly buy steam sale games for 2 - 5$. Discount console games are always 20 - 30$ in stores, and I have never seen a console box version of a big name game like Skyrim go on sale for 50% off so close to release like it did a few days ago.

Incomparable accessories/proprietary accessories: This is fairly straight forward. Over priced hard drives (older 20gb consoles are screwed for digital download games and game installs and forced to but proprietary HDD's), 60-70$ for controllers (times 4), wii motes, nunchucks, balancing boards, arcade sticks, battery docks, batteries, addons like Kinect and Move, plus possible aditional controllers for move and the list goes on and on...THEN THE NEXT GENERATION OF CONSOLES COME OUT AND YOU HAVE TO BUY ALL THESE ALL OVER AGAIN because they are not compatible

As far as upgrading video cards go, an 8800gt on a old 1680×1050 res display (what was common back then) would play skyrim better than a Xbox if only for the faster load times, and that would be a true resolution unlike the 360 which is only up-scaled to 1080p. If you want to upgrade right now 140$ on a 6850 will do far more than any console.
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You forgot to add credit back in for the ability to sell games for trade-in value. Not to mention not everyone plays on xbox live, or online at all, so with a PS3 you spend less. That and many games on release are the same price as console games, nowadays, and the later cheaper prices for PC games such as on steam is somewhat caught up by the price of used games.

That and what are the "incompatible" accessories? The xbox came with a headset, and any bluetooth headset many people already had worked with the PS3. That and the controller was included with the console. What else was really necessary?
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You can't compare 'deals or sales' of games that may be one month to a year or more old in any of this. Just pointing that out.

You need to compare the game prices on launch between platforms.
    
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It still honestly BLOWS MY MIND how people can play an FPS on console.
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I disagree I think PC gaming is just as affordable as console gaming because the games are generally a lot cheaper on PC if you buy from the right place. For example in England I bought Rage £21 on PC compared to around £39 on the console for the exact same game.

2 things you forgot though. In order to play BF3, a $200 won't cut it whereas a $200 console will. Also, used games a MUCH more viable with consoles. Services like Steam completely knock out any chance of buying any current games used.
    
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I feel the upgrade to the video card on that chart every 2-2.5 years is unrealistic.
Someone would do one a year, just skipping series numbers. Right now, it might have changed but historically middle of the road buyers like me upgrade frequently to keep up since I gave up going for the $400 plus cards. So it's $150-200 per year for an "enthusiast" who just wanted DX11 after waiting a while or whatever new tech comes along. Its a good thing and a bad thing. There is more to pc gaming than just blockbusters too, I mean why is it so important to prove that pc gaming rocks for Skyrim which must be a fact beyond obvious? I'm sure Bethesda will come clean in their earnings report if they are traded which I just saw, they are not, but Zenimax is, so...actually that's very annoying.
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