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For reasons i'd rather not go into detail here, i would pretty much like to purchase a new laptop with strong characteristics aimed at gaming, and I have some questions.

-Since I would like to have some flexibility in choosing what in there, is it nowadays possible to change cpu/gpu at will? If i get a laptop with GT 540m can i later change it to GTX580M? Or if i get i7-2760QM can i change it to 2960QM?

-Are laptops components easily overclockable? Can you get significant boost with i7 and latest nvidia cards? Is there cooling available?

-As for CPU i'm thinking 2760QM for now which is 2.4GHz. Does the latest 2.7 2960QM offer significant increase on performance?

-Can i change the external case to one i want? I will possible be purchasing a generci custom made brand and i would like it to change it to something worthy looking.

These are the first things that came up to mind, and i would like to discuss, so hopefully i can make the better choice i possibly can. Thanks.

For the CPU and GPU, no you cannot change them at will. This should be taken into consideration. The CPU usually can be upgraded but then again, it's usually not a good idea to play with a machine that isn't specially designed to be taken apart. The 540M isn't an actual card by the way, it's always soldered onto the motherboard and you need a certain motherboard chipset to allow the 2960XM.

You can usually use Throttlestop to force the turbo speed for your CPU. Takes a little tweaking. It's required to have a good i7 for the latest Nvidia cards. Offers the best performance. However the slowest quad, the 2630QM, is equal to an i7-920 at stock configuration so you won't need much more than that to handle any one GPU well. For SLI/CrossfireX, the 2760QM would be the best bet. The 2960XM offers an unlocked multiplier in the bios of the computer that has it preinstalled. It's performance is rumored to be equivalent or better than the Desktop i7 2600K.

The casing of the laptop is something you have to stick with. Motherboards are made specifically for the case you are using when you get your laptop. Changing the case itself is possible but impractical due to how much doing that costs and the hassle of finding another case that would fit your motherboard. But most of the Clevo cases can be powder coated if that matters. They're made of a different material so the heat doesn't warp them. biggrin.gif

If you want a better laptop than the rest and mobility isn't that big of a deal then the Veda P180HM is your best bet.

If portability is in mind but you want a good bit of power backing it anyway, then the Satori P170HM or the Lotus P150HM.

If mobility is what you require with the option of gaming on the side, then the Lotus P151HM1 is what you want.
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You can usually use Throttlestop to force the turbo speed for your CPU. Takes a little tweaking. It's required to have a good i7 for the latest Nvidia cards. Offers the best performance. However the slowest quad, the 2630QM, is equal to an i7-920 at stock configuration so you won't need much more than that to handle any one GPU well. For SLI/CrossfireX, the 2760QM would be the best bet. The 2960XM offers an unlocked multiplier in the bios of the computer that has it preinstalled. It's performance is rumored to be equivalent or better than the Desktop i7 2600K.
The casing of the laptop is something you have to stick with. Motherboards are made specifically for the case you are using when you get your laptop. Changing the case itself is possible but impractical due to how much doing that costs and the hassle of finding another case that would fit your motherboard. But most of the Clevo cases can be powder coated if that matters. They're made of a different material so the heat doesn't warp them. biggrin.gif
If you want a better laptop than the rest and mobility isn't that big of a deal then the Veda P180HM is your best bet.
If portability is in mind but you want a good bit of power backing it anyway, then the Satori P170HM or the Lotus P150HM.
If mobility is what you require with the option of gaming on the side, then the Lotus P151HM1 is what you want.

Is it really? Because 920 is 2.66 while 2630 is only 2.00. I know the latter is latest generation, so it should be somewhat improved but, i didnt think that it could perform just as well, even with less than half a gig of frequency... I wil efinitely not go for a laptop wth SLI/Crossifre setup, but even so, wont the 2630 lack significantly compared to 2760 on cpu intensive games? I was told that peformance wise 2760 is a considerable upgrade, dont know how that translate to gaming though....

As for chaning the card, ok i get it that is not usually done, and even if it could be done it is advised not to, but i cnt get over the fact that i'm getting a GT-555 and not at least GTX-560. Why would the manufacturer choose this card on a higher-end laptop. The price difference is not that great anyway....

And a last not really that game-changing question but here it goes anyway. What's the deal with pc 3d monitors? Actually 120hz monitors with nvidia vision. Can you really watch 3d films in those? Is the experiense close to what you would get from a modern Sony-Samsung 3DTV LED?

I see that some laptops come with 3D screens, and i was wondering wether i should get the 1920x1080 standard screen or a 1600x900 3D screen. The Latter has a native res that is most suitable for gaming plus it is 3D but it costs 200 more, so i'm wondering if it is even worth it.

I think i'm closing in on my decision. You telling me that 2630 does not making that much of a difference kind of eases me, but i still have to get over the fact that i'm getting a less than ideal gt-555 and make a decision on standard vs 3d screen...
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You can usually use Throttlestop to force the turbo speed for your CPU. Takes a little tweaking. It's required to have a good i7 for the latest Nvidia cards. Offers the best performance. However the slowest quad, the 2630QM, is equal to an i7-920 at stock configuration so you won't need much more than that to handle any one GPU well. For SLI/CrossfireX, the 2760QM would be the best bet. The 2960XM offers an unlocked multiplier in the bios of the computer that has it preinstalled. It's performance is rumored to be equivalent or better than the Desktop i7 2600K.
The casing of the laptop is something you have to stick with. Motherboards are made specifically for the case you are using when you get your laptop. Changing the case itself is possible but impractical due to how much doing that costs and the hassle of finding another case that would fit your motherboard. But most of the Clevo cases can be powder coated if that matters. They're made of a different material so the heat doesn't warp them. biggrin.gif
If you want a better laptop than the rest and mobility isn't that big of a deal then the Veda P180HM is your best bet.
If portability is in mind but you want a good bit of power backing it anyway, then the Satori P170HM or the Lotus P150HM.
If mobility is what you require with the option of gaming on the side, then the Lotus P151HM1 is what you want.

Is it really? Because 920 is 2.66 while 2630 is only 2.00. I know the latter is latest generation, so it should be somewhat improved but, i didnt think that it could perform just as well, even with less than half a gig of frequency... I wil efinitely not go for a laptop wth SLI/Crossifre setup, but even so, wont the 2630 lack significantly compared to 2760 on cpu intensive games? I was told that peformance wise 2760 is a considerable upgrade, dont know how that translate to gaming though....

As for chaning the card, ok i get it that is not usually done, and even if it could be done it is advised not to, but i cnt get over the fact that i'm getting a GT-555 and not at least GTX-560. Why would the manufacturer choose this card on a higher-end laptop. The price difference is not that great anyway....

And a last not really that game-changing question but here it goes anyway. What's the deal with pc 3d monitors? Actually 120hz monitors with nvidia vision. Can you really watch 3d films in those? Is the experiense close to what you would get from a modern Sony-Samsung 3DTV LED?

I see that some laptops come with 3D screens, and i was wondering wether i should get the 1920x1080 standard screen or a 1600x900 3D screen. The Latter has a native res that is most suitable for gaming plus it is 3D but it costs 200 more, so i'm wondering if it is even worth it.

I think i'm closing in on my decision. You telling me that 2630 does not making that much of a difference kind of eases me, but i still have to get over the fact that i'm getting a less than ideal gt-555 and make a decision on standard vs 3d screen...

The 920 is fast, but it's technically the beta of the first generation i7 line, the successor being the i7-930. Later benches showed that the "lesser" i7-860 was a decent notch faster at the same clock speeds and offered a lower TDP. As for the 2760QM, I was looking at that one too. If I got a laptop 2.4GHz just sounds better as a stock speed for a quad than 2GHz. However, these i7s are interesting little machines CPUs. They have the ability to change the clock speed used depending on the load and how much of the CPU is used.

For instance, The first generation i7s, pathetic at first glance I know but bear with me. The i7 840QM specifically. Base clock of 1.87GHz with the turbo up to 3.2GHz. Let me explain that better for you now. The entire CPU can up it's base clock to 2GHz if all eight threads are used. If four threads are used, it pushes the entire chip to 2.93GHz for a super fast dual core; A dual core with HT mind you. And if only two or fewer threads are used it pushes the chip up to 3.2GHz for the advantage of a super high single, fast dual and middle quad, giving you rounded performance regardless of the program.

So it looks like this:

i7-840QM
4c/8t - 1.87GHz-2.00GHz
2c/4t - 2.93GHz
1c/2t - 3.20GHz

The Sandy Bridge 2630QM is elegant. Here's what it's boost looks like.

i7-2630QM
4c/8t - 2.00GHz-2.6GHz
2c/4t - 2.8GHz
1c/2t - 2.9GHz

So that's probably why it matches the 920, it can match it's clock speeds at 1/3 of the power draw. I hope that clears a few things up... biggrin.gif (I gotta turn this into a sticky somehow...)

I say go for the Lotus P150HM I have listed. It offers the ability to upgrade the CPU and the GPU down the road if you find one at some point. Not to mention it comes stock with the 2630QM and a 560M with a 1080p screen packed into a 15.6" screen. ^_^

As for the screen resolution... Yes, it has a native resolution better for games, however most games will not default to 1080p if you ask them to auto assign the graphics accordingly. For a 3D solution, I don't have much experience with it but for movies and such, your GPU will take over so mimicking the performance of a standard 3D-capable HDTV wouldn't be much of a problem if any. However, gaming with a GT 555 in 3D will not work at all. You won't have the visual clarity or acceptable framerate in either situation. The 1080p default screen is nice too. If you get a machine that has a bluray drive, you get the full clarity of that 1080p screen. biggrin.gif

I still say get the Lotus P150HM I listed above. It's more powerful and better in every way. It's got everything you're looking for in a laptop. And it's built by people who know what they're doing. Not to mention Malibal is in Las Vegas too. So you get a little touch of Vegas. ^_^
     
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