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Here are my current specs, or rather, the hardware I plan on cooling:

Forgive me if I list anything you don't need to know, I'm just trying to be thorough.

1 x Intel 3960x CPU
2 x GTX590 GPU QUAD SLI

On an Asus Rampage IV Extreme Motherboard in a custom U2-UFO Chassis. Here is a picture of the Chassis:

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The Motherboard tray is horizontally placed, as you can see, and I have 6 x 5.25 Drive bays.

My Motherboards form factor is 10.7 x 12 inches. It is considered an Extended-ATX board, even though EATX is generally considered to be 12 x 13 inches. Whilst Standard-ATX is 9.6 x 12 inches. Which leads me to a small question: will my motherboard fit in the Motherboard tray that's made for EATX form factor boards?

The watercooling components I plan on getting are as listed:

1 x XSPC Raystorm CPU Waterblock
2 x XSPC Razor 590 Waterblocks
1 x EK Reservoir with Spinner to monitor flow
1 x MCP655 Pump
2 x GTX Series 360 Black Ice Radiators
+ ? However many fans I need to complement the Radiators for a push/ pull air flow?

That custom build I showed you isn't my final decision, I have two alternative panel options in mind as well, I will show you:


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The first image is the original build I have in mind, the second image is displaying the alternate top panel, and also the alternate front panel.

As you can see, the alternate front panel has much more Drive Bay options, but only one row for a 360 Radiator.

Now for the questions. tongue.gif
I'll number them to make answering a lot easier and less convoluted.

1. Are Reservoirs and Pumps made to fit into 5.25 Drive Bays? It would seem practical to me, I think.

2. If so, am I okay having only 6 drive bays?

3. In the front panel that has 6 x 120mm fan cutouts, would I be able to mount my two 360 Radiators? If you look into the inside, the motherboard tray might be extending out too far, stopping me from mounting one of the Radiators? What do you think?

4. I want these radiators to have push/ pull fans on either side. Does it look like it would be possible to mount a radiator externally, and have the pull fan on the inside of the case? Would that work? Maybe that way I can deter the motherboard tray cramping problem I mentioned in the above question...?

5. Wouldn't it be bad to be taking in air from the inside of the case? I know it would be worse than blowing hot air in, but aren't the Radiators meant to receive cool air? I don't think the air inside the case would be cool.

6. Where will I place the pump? Is it possible to mount it somewhere?

7. I've asked this before, but, to cool all three of my processors (2 dual GPU's and one CPU, which I think makes 5 processors, unless my CPU is more than one?) I will need up to 5 120mm fans right? So would it be better to have two separate loops? I would think that the last processor in the loop would be getting the least cool water, having a negative impact?

8. Will my CPU only require one 120mm? Or is it different, like in the case of my dual GPU's which will need 240mm each?

9. What would be the loop order to go with? Depending on whether you think I should have one loop or two?

10. I've heard there are some brands of GPU's that aren't possible to attach waterblocks to. Can someone enlighten me on this please.

11. Would Gentle Typhoon Fans be compatible with GTX 360 Black Ice radiators, so I can make push/ pull enhancement?



I hope this is all adequately coherent and succinct. It would be MUCH appreciated if you could even just answer one of these questions, you don't have to cover everything in order to answer tongue.gif
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God I love you for making this easy as hell with that AWESOME CASE!

1. Are Reservoirs and Pumps made to fit into 5.25 Drive Bays? It would seem practical to me, I think.

Yes, a Res Can fit in a 5.25 bay but generally people use Res with External pump setups due to them being cost effective, and easier on larger systems. Plus its a hell of a lot easier to replace the pump or upgrade it.

2. If so, am I okay having only 6 drive bays?

Plenty OK, you are probably only going to use 2 of them for a res. And you only need 1 CD/DVD/BR drive.

3. In the front panel that has 6 x 120mm fan cutouts, would I be able to mount my two 360 Radiators? If you look into the inside, the motherboard tray might be extending out too far, stopping me from mounting one of the Radiators? What do you think?

Easily, I suggest you use XSPC RX360s however.

4. I want these radiators to have push/ pull fans on either side. Does it look like it would be possible to mount a radiator externally, and have the pull fan on the inside of the case? Would that work? Maybe that way I can deter the motherboard tray cramping problem I mentioned in the above question...?

Why do you want Push/Pull? Any particular reason? If you mount the rad externally, you are going to have a hell of a time with the tubing.

5. Wouldn't it be bad to be taking in air from the inside of the case? I know it would be worse than blowing hot air in, but aren't the Radiators meant to receive cool air? I don't think the air inside the case would be cool.

You want to bring cool air inside, through the rads, into the case. This helps with dust control, as you are not creating a vacuum inside the case.

6. Where will I place the pump? Is it possible to mount it somewhere?

Easily, some people just mount them near the rads, or on the bottom of the case. You have plenty of room down there tongue.gif Vel-Cro is your friend

7. I've asked this before, but, to cool all three of my processors (2 dual GPU's and one CPU, which I think makes 5 processors, unless my CPU is more than one?) I will need up to 5 120mm fans right? So would it be better to have two separate loops? I would think that the last processor in the loop would be getting the least cool water, having a negative impact?

The Loop should look something like this for your setup. Res - Pump - CPU - RAD - GPU 1 - GPU 2 - RAD - RES

8. Will my CPU only require one 120mm? Or is it different, like in the case of my dual GPU's which will need 240mm each?

Might as well just do the loop like above, will make it easier on you.

9. What would be the loop order to go with? Depending on whether you think I should have one loop or two?

Res - Pump - CPU - RAD - GPU 1 - GPU 2 - RAD - RES

10. I've heard there are some brands of GPU's that aren't possible to attach waterblocks to. Can someone enlighten me on this please.

Yes, some you cant. Not much to enlighten, some manufacturers just use non-reference designs that manufacturers dont make waterblocks for. Check out http://www.coolingconfigurator.com/ its EKs database for waterblock fitment.

11. Would Gentle Typhoon Fans be compatible with GTX 360 Black Ice radiators, so I can make push/ pull enhancement?

Those black ice radiators do well with semi-high flow fans. Something around 70 CFM.


P.S.

As I always suggest with setups cooling this much hardware, you are going to want to use some components from Aqua Computing. I always suggest their Aquaero 5 PRO and Power Adjust 2's to run pumps. This will provide you with monitoring as well. Plus 2 DDC 1-T pumps in serial will provide you with plenty of flow for your system, and redundancy which is good for cooling over 2500$ in hardware.
Edited by PeteJM - 12/10/11 at 1:17am
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Originally Posted by SundrKyn View Post

My Motherboards form factor is 10.7 x 12 inches. It is considered an Extended-ATX board, even though EATX is generally considered to be 12 x 13 inches. Whilst Standard-ATX is 9.6 x 12 inches. Which leads me to a small question: will my motherboard fit in the Motherboard tray that's made for EATX form factor boards?

Yes, should mount fine. If its considered EATX spec, it'll have EATX mounting screw spacings.
Now for the questions. tongue.gif
I'll number them to make answering a lot easier and less convoluted.

1. Are Reservoirs and Pumps made to fit into 5.25 Drive Bays? It would seem practical to me, I think.

Depending on the reservoir they are usually designed to fit either 3.5" or 5.25" bays, single or double. There are also reservoirs that are not designed to fit anything in particular, such as the Frozen-Q Reservoirs, or the eK cylinder reservoirs (100-400mm in length)

2. If so, am I okay having only 6 drive bays?

If you're running a dual loop with two dual bay reservoirs, plus also having a Blu-Ray or DVD-RW drive... you should be fine. That'll fill 5 bays.

3. In the front panel that has 6 x 120mm fan cutouts, would I be able to mount my two 360 Radiators? If you look into the inside, the motherboard tray might be extending out too far, stopping me from mounting one of the Radiators? What do you think?

Should fit just fine. Worst case, you'll mount a row of fans inside the case, radiator and second row of fans outside. Case seems like it's designed with watercooling in mind though, so I wouldn't stress it.

4. I want these radiators to have push/ pull fans on either side. Does it look like it would be possible to mount a radiator externally, and have the pull fan on the inside of the case? Would that work? Maybe that way I can deter the motherboard tray cramping problem I mentioned in the above question...?

5. Wouldn't it be bad to be taking in air from the inside of the case? I know it would be worse than blowing hot air in, but aren't the Radiators meant to receive cool air? I don't think the air inside the case would be cool.

I pull air from inside the case for my current water cooling loop and the temperatures don't seem to mind it all that much. I also have good air flow through the case itself, so that helps a bit as well.

6. Where will I place the pump? Is it possible to mount it somewhere?

Pumps can be mounted using velcro if you really want to, so mounting it should not be an issue.

7. I've asked this before, but, to cool all three of my processors (2 dual GPU's and one CPU, which I think makes 5 processors, unless my CPU is more than one?) I will need up to 5 120mm fans right? So would it be better to have two separate loops? I would think that the last processor in the loop would be getting the least cool water, having a negative impact?

The water temperature finds a middle point and stays there. The temperature difference from component to component will be minimal, if any. Whatever difference will be negligible. For cooling you'll be looking at more than likely two 360 radiator loops.

8. Will my CPU only require one 120mm? Or is it different, like in the case of my dual GPU's which will need 240mm each?
9. What would be the loop order to go with? Depending on whether you think I should have one loop or two?

Loop order doesn't particularly matter other than to make sure your reservoir leads directly to your pump for ease of filling. Makes it a lot simpler to ensure that your pump doesn't run dry. Otherwise, put the loop in whatever order you'd like. Most prefer to put it in an order that either a.) shortens the loop as much as possible or b.) makes for a loop with the least intense bends as possible.

10. I've heard there are some brands of GPU's that aren't possible to attach waterblocks to. Can someone enlighten me on this please.

It's not so much brands, as it is the layout of the card. If the card is a OEM configuration (or reference), then the card is laid out as the manufacturer had planned. That is the most common configuration and there are more water blocks out for them. Alternative layouts would require a waterblock designed especially for that design.

11. Would Gentle Typhoon Fans be compatible with GTX 360 Black Ice radiators, so I can make push/ pull enhancement?

I believe the Gentle Typhoons are rather popular. You can use whatever 120mm fan you want, but obviously there are some that will perform significantly better. I personally use Yate Loon Medium speeds. I know FTW PC (OCN Authorized Vendor) has authentic Yate Loons available from their store for a good price.

I hope this is all adequately coherent and succinct. It would be MUCH appreciated if you could even just answer one of these questions, you don't have to cover everything in order to answer tongue.gif

Think that about covers most of them.
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Anyone who does a push pull on a low fpi rad will only see a small drop in temps vs the money spent for fans
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as your mounting the rads verticly you could use yate loon fans instead of GT's cheaper smile.gif
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