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Ok so i know cpu's dont mean that much in games anymore, its mostly all about the video card. but you do still need the cpu for physics and it of course needs to keep up with your vid card. i was looking at going 939 with a AMD 64 3700+, because if i go dual core i MUST go conroe and that will just cost way too much compared to the 3700+. Im just wondering will the 3700+ unleash my 7900 GT (and future directx 10 card) or still bottleneck badly if i get it to OC to 3.0 Ghz? I know future games will utilize both cores but i think the 3700+ is very strong for a single core proc and so im just wondering if i get that, will it be regretted once DX10 comes out?
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I'd get the 3800+ X2, I know you said "MUST get conroe"...but really you don't really have to lol. Nobyd's making you. the 3800 X2 would be a better investment. Dual core is better clock for clock and is less of a bottleneck on your GPU.
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This might be a anwser but,run what you have now. It will be some time before DX 10 comes out + there isnt even games out for that yet.
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if you go dual core why does it have to be conroe? ....

cpus have everything to do with todays games..


you already have a 939 board just get a dual core 939 chip. if you dont go dual core for future games you will need a physics card to split the calculations.
i would just get a x2 3800 they are like 160 bucks now.. and the only thing you will need to change when dx10 comes out is a new video card.
    
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damn it sideburns! i was typing as you posted that!
    
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Sir,

I must stress the fact that a CPU is VERY important in games, slightly less important in most games then the graphics processing unit in your graphics card, however it is still extremely important.

You are talking about an AMD 3700+, if this is indeed the case then you have posted this thread in the incorrect section i.e. the Intel Section

If you had the option to take a Core 2 Duo over a 3700+ you should always take that option as the architecture is far more sophisticated and "powerful" than AMD's current architecture for the AMD64/X2. Even in single threading mode the architecture is far more efficient and effective at dealing and processing single threaded information than the K8 architecture. This is noticed a lot in tests that use large amounts of SIMD extensions i.e. SSE-SSE4. Also Core 2 Duo incorporates SSE3+ (SSE4) which allows an increase in processing SIMD instructions with its new set of sub-code.

Now bottlenecking. It’s different from what you have made out. First I will say that an AMD 3700+ would bottleneck your system in some cases and not in others. You can't just say will my processor bottleneck my graphics card? Because there is no correct simple yes or no answer that could be given to that question.

Let’s use two examples here:

Doom 3 at 1600x1200 @ Maximum Settings, 4xSSAA. Your processor will bottleneck this application and a reduced frame rate will be noticed.

Red Alert 2 at 1600x1200 @ Maximum Settings. Your processor will not bottleneck this application, maximum frame rate will be obtained.

So the answer is you will notice or not notice bottleneck per application you run, they all have different requirements but if you intend to play games like Doom 3, Crysis etc then yes you will receive a CPU based bottleneck on these applications depending on system configuration and graphics/processing options set in the game.

As for DX10, yes if you get that processor you will have wasted money in a way. It will still be fast, but DX10 is built around the ability to use multithreading data i.e. Two processors or greater to process information. Therefore single core processors will not be able to work with DX10 extremely well in comparison to a system running SMP Multithreading
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What have you currently got the 3000+ running at? If you are around the 2600MHz mark then I probably wouldn't bother. On the other hand the extra L2 cache and if you have a mother board capable of clocking the (now very cheap) 3700+ to your 3K mark then it may be worth while. Dual core can be very handy. Although I have noticed zero difference whilst gaming it is better in day to day tasks depending on what you are doing. Even at stock speeds of 2000MHz and my 7900GT 512 at stock I do not feel the need to go any quicker as it is not needed. Frames are good on all games played. My question to you is- are your frames still OK at your current speeds? If so then why upgrade? For the enthusiast point of view I understand but is there a need? Maybe hold on for a little while and see how technology pans out over the upcoming months as Christmas is upon us very soon
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Originally Posted by burnstudios
if you go dual core why does it have to be conroe? ....

cpus have everything to do with todays games..


you already have a 939 board just get a dual core 939 chip. if you dont go dual core for future games you will need a physics card to split the calculations.
i would just get a x2 3800 they are like 160 bucks now.. and the only thing you will need to change when dx10 comes out is a new video card.
Ok im going to try to multi task quad core my reply to all these questions and answers

K first of all my mobo is socket 754 not 939 and my CPU is clocked at 2.0 Ghz. Im thinking i'l go 939 with X2 3800+ and no, my frame rates arent bad in games i just want to max out the cpu features because those are always low, while my graphics are at full w/ FSAA etc. and i just wanted it to be conroe because theyre just l33t but i guess the difference wouldnt be too drastic even in upcoming games between a X2 3800+ and a conroe, and no, i can not afford to go conroe lol.
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but i guess the difference wouldnt be too drastic even in upcoming games between a X2 3800+ and a conroe
I'm not going to answer that, just be prepared for a very big shock

Well if you can't afford a Conroe why not consider an Allendale E6300/E6400?
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Nice posts manual. And yes, there is every reason right now to get the core architecture. It is superior, end of question. My E6300 outperformed my friend's FX-60 when I clocked it high enough, no sweat. For $189, you can't go wrong.

DX10 cards will have some serious power. A 3700+ will bottleneck them.

Nrgx.
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