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I'm not really surprised BD is selling a lot.

It's not necessarily a bad processor, it just didn't meet expectations....which were very bloated expectations. There is no denying the 2600K smokes it power, and performance wise, especially when overclocked. It compares more to the 2500K, trading blows back and forth (not in the performance/watt category).

Although where I live in Canada, my local hardware store has barely been selling any of them thinking.gif

Good news for AMD though. Despite the bad reputation, it is selling. This means profits for a company that is desperately in need of R&D funds.
Edited by Slappa - 12/10/11 at 10:41pm
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post #222 of 495
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just going by price/performance ratio my friend

You really can't compare a CPU like the 990x to the 8150 on a performance/price, their in two completely seperate leagues. If I were to only use that ratio then a free athalon-64 would be the undisputed champion of the world rolleyes.gif
 
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post #223 of 495
Not here in malaysia..... still saw my friend shop 5 from first batch arrived here, the 4100 is selling very good though since it is very cheap and people are grabbing those instead. Its just in short supply i think much like the llano, most shops i know get like 5 unlike intel where the distro usually can supply at least 20+ each order.
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post #224 of 495
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its been a thousand for a while and will continue to be a thousand in the future, what are u talking about when u say "premium"

A premium in price for performance. It is not that hard of a concept. The product can not be cheaper when it becomes more costly to produce. The company needs profits, that is why intel is able to spend billions in r and d.
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post #225 of 495
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Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129 View Post

Bulldozer giving Gulftown performance? Since when? rolleyes.gif
You seem to forget for BD to equal Thuban's performance it has to be clocked higher. A stock Thuban will use much less energy than a ~4.2GHz+ BD and both will give about equal performance.


negative.... BD wins 31 out of 49 of these tests... how is that equal? vs the 1100tbe, both at stock


http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/434?vs=203
Edited by RedSunRises - 12/10/11 at 10:48pm
post #226 of 495
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Originally Posted by dlee7283 View Post

its been a thousand for a while and will continue to be a thousand in the future, what are u talking about when u say "premium"
This argument has gone on for hours, I really need to get off here lol.

Well to be fair, you did actual derail the thread with your rather insane price/performance logic between the 990x vs FX 8150 which you still continue to keep using on numerous occasions.
 
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post #227 of 495
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I'm not really surprised BD is selling a lot.
It's not necessarily a bad processor, it just didn't meet expectations....which were very bloated expectations. There is no denying the 2600K smokes it power, and performance wise, especially when overclocked. It compares more to the 2500K, trading blows back and forth (not in the performance/watt category).
Although where I live in Canada, my local hardware store has barely been selling any of them thinking.gif
Good news for AMD though. Despite the bad reputation, it is selling. This means profits for a company that is desperately in need of R&D funds.

Yes, BD expectations were a little farfetched due to AMD fanboys hoping for something amazing but BD is not a bad processor at all. And it can definitely throw punches with 2500K. In some cases BD wins against 2500K and in other cases the 2500K wins. Depends on what its being used for but either way the comparisons are not that far off. Also, BD is still due for optimized scheduler alond with architecture optimizations that need to be made to any new architecture. That along with this being AMD's biggest change in architecture in a long time. BD is the start of a great processor just like phenom and pentium which were both new architectures as well.

Read my post above if you want to know about people who think and wish they know what they are talking about when it comes to BD performance but have 0 hours of experience or use with it. Try using the damn cpu first before you talk about it like you designed it.
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Originally Posted by Clairvoyant129 View Post

Bulldozer giving Gulftown performance? Since when? rolleyes.gif
You seem to forget for BD to equal Thuban's performance it has to be clocked higher. A stock Thuban will use much less energy than a ~4.2GHz+ BD and both will give about equal performance.


negative.... BD wins 31 out of 49 of these tests... how is that equal? vs the 1100tbe, both at stock


http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/434?vs=203


Because the 1090T was already considered a second rate processor compared to the i7-920 which released in 2008.


Your numbers aren't even that good, it's only slightly faster with a large clock speed advantage and the Phenom II doesn't even have the massive benefit of the cpuNB overclock.
    
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A little late in this thread I am. I believe they are running out due to a small production supply or large amount of buyers who may have bought an AM3+ MoBo before launch and want to take advantage of it or just want to financially support AMD.

I believe what dlee is simply trying to say is that the performance advantage the 980X has over the FX 8150 (or rather the i5 2500K, i7 2600K, ETC.) is not worth the price. However, you cannot simply state that and official have it accepted as a fact. Dlee, simply understand what they are aimed at and how important they can be in their market segment.

Here's a quote from a forum member on Tom's who happened to justify why the performance difference between Extreme i7s (LGA 2011) and the LGA 1155 i7s is significant (very similar to this situation):
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[I work on a project with about 3M lines of code. To get build times under an hour, we've got a distributed build network set up, and it STILL takes about 10-15 minutes to compile the damn thing, depending on how much needs to be rebuilt. 7% in a situation like that is huge, especially when you're building potentially dozens of times a day.

Those few minutes here and there add up quickly. Say I build every hour at 10 minutes a build. I'm spending 16.6% of my time staring at the compiler. If I cut 7% off my build time, I save about a minute every hour, 8 minutes a day, or about an hour a week. At $50 an hour (roughly), this processor literally pays for itself in about two months. If we weren't using distributed builds, it would probably pay for itself inside a week, saving nearly $3 in labor per build./QUOTE]
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Exactly! So many gamers think that everything intel makes is for them, and then they complain that the new chips suck and are overpriced. But these chips are made for the professional market where a $1000 processor can save tens of thousands of dollars in a year in productivity costs. When you work in that kind of environment then the old processor that you own becomes more expensive than the new 'expensive' processor. And these are still a steal compared to a server style setup that you would traditionally use in such an environment because they do not require the redundancy in the build that a server does.


Edited by AbdullahG - 12/10/11 at 10:58pm
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The BD is right where AMD said it would be. The i5 does not destroy the BD. The BD destroys 2500K in multithreading and is hardly off that much with single core performance. Me and my friend did comparison like stated above. Both cpus overclocked to 5GHz. Once BD hits 4.8Ghz+ its scales very well. Overall BD is a better processor than 2500K if overclocked over 4.8GHz. I dont understand how people can sit there and talk trash on a cpu that they probably have never seen let alone experienced. I think you guys just like to hear yourselves talk. Me and my budy did many comparisons with the two processors and there is nowhere that the 2500K just destroys the BD. Also, BD is running on scheduler that is not optimized.
Obviously you and your buddy are the experts.
Some of us, like myself do actually have jobs in this industry and our experience goes beyond sitting in your bedroom with your buddy running benchmarks. rolleyes.gif

I said that I compared the two. If you have the experience then you would know that 2500K is not better than BD and in most cases BD is very similar to 2500K performance and beats it in multithreading. If you believe otherwise then I would look over your number again because you are confused.

So what are you saying. That you work testing both amd and intel systems and have the experience? Then you would agree with me. I am not sure what this post is supposed to mean. If you have the experience then you know what I am talking about. I dont know the point of your post though. If I were you then I would be a little more clear on what you are saying. Otherwise I will just assume that you agree. Anyone that has done recent testing with BD and 2500K will tell you the performance between the two is very close and that it cannot be said that 2500K is better than BD.

As for your post, I am happy for your job and your experience, I guess.
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