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Just would like to add (@ EVERYONE), if you truly want to show your passion for tech, you won't care about what's faster or better, or what the performance difference/ change is. You'd take interest in what changes were brought, it's architect, what's new or different, etc. Understand that the BD arch is completely different and has never been done before (the module design). It's the knowledge we gain from such a CPU, or all hardware in general, that we should account for, rather than benchmarks and numbers. The sad thing about this is that this is coming from someone who just recently found a passion in tech (less than 6 months). I'm sure most of you have been in my position for at least a year or so?

PS: Please excuse on quote mishaps I had in my previous post. Still getting use to OCN smile.gif
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Win for marketing...
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I said that I compared the two. If you have the experience then you would know that 2500K is not better than BD and in most cases BD is very similar to 2500K performance and beats it in multithreading. If you believe otherwise then I would look over your number again because you are confused.
So what are you saying. That you work testing both amd and intel systems and have the experience? Then you would agree with me. I am not sure what this post is supposed to mean. If you have the experience then you know what I am talking about. I dont know the point of your post though. If I were you then I would be a little more clear on what you are saying. Otherwise I will just assume that you agree. Anyone that has done recent testing with BD and 2500K will tell you the performance between the two is very close and that it cannot be said that 2500K is better than BD.
As for your post, I am happy for your job and your experience, I guess.

I was actually trying to get the other guy to put price/performance from an FX 8150 vs 2500k/2600k stand point rather than his 990x ramblings.
 
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Just would like to add (@ EVERYONE), if you truly want to show your passion for tech, you won't care about what's faster or better, or what the performance difference/ change is. You'd take interest in what changes were brought, it's architect, what's new or different, etc. Understand that the BD arch is completely different and has never been done before (the module design). It's the knowledge we gain from such a CPU, or all hardware in general, that we should account for, rather than benchmarks and numbers.


Hopefully Intel can do something with it, they have always taken what AMD came up with and made it so much better.


Again though, with AMD out of the performance segment of desktop computing there really is no need for this discussion.

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I said that I compared the two. If you have the experience then you would know that 2500K is not better than BD and in most cases BD is very similar to 2500K performance and beats it in multithreading. If you believe otherwise then I would look over your number again because you are confused.
So what are you saying. That you work testing both amd and intel systems and have the experience? Then you would agree with me. I am not sure what this post is supposed to mean. If you have the experience then you know what I am talking about. I dont know the point of your post though. If I were you then I would be a little more clear on what you are saying. Otherwise I will just assume that you agree. Anyone that has done recent testing with BD and 2500K will tell you the performance between the two is very close and that it cannot be said that 2500K is better than BD.
As for your post, I am happy for your job and your experience, I guess.

I was actually trying to get the other guy to put price/performance from an FX 8150 vs 2500k/2600k stand point rather than his 990x ramblings.

Don't bother, every benchmark he can produce with the 8150 will get matched or beat by a i5-2500k, while costing less, and using half as much power.

The only benches my chip loses to bulldozer is ones that support the new instructions, and true crypt.
    
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Bulldozer giving Gulftown performance? Since when? rolleyes.gif
You seem to forget for BD to equal Thuban's performance it has to be clocked higher. A stock Thuban will use much less energy than a ~4.2GHz+ BD and both will give about equal performance.
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Because the 1090T was already considered a second rate processor compared to the i7-920 which released in 2008.
Your numbers aren't even that good, it's only slightly faster with a large clock speed advantage and the Phenom II doesn't even have the massive benefit of the cpuNB overclock.

300mhz isnt a "large" clock speed advantage, but it probably helps in winning a lot of those tests. Just pointing out he makes it sound like you need a 4.2ghz BD to "beat" a stock thuban... which is obviously wrong. Lets stick to the facts smile.gif not trying to start a fight biggrin.gif
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Large enough when you consider bulldozer only has about a 300-500Mhz clock advantage over Thuban (top end), and while bulldozer gains almost nothing from HT and cpuNB clocks, Thuban gets rather large gains from a 3GHz+ cpuNB clock.
    
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Large enough when you consider bulldozer only has about a 300-500Mhz clock advantage over Thuban (top end), and while bulldozer gains almost nothing from HT and cpuNB clocks, Thuban gets rather large gains from a 3GHz+ cpuNB clock.
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I cant really comment on this as I have minimal experience OC thubans or BDs... So I wont pretend I know what I am talking about, and assume you do know what you are talking about... but if he had said something along these lines I would have continued to lurk without posting and read this oh so original flame war smile.gif
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Hopefully Intel can do something with it, they have always taken what AMD came up with and made it so much better.

They did make the first consumer CPU, not to mention the 3D transistors that are to included in Ivy Bridge. In the end, Intel needs AMD, and AMD needs Intel. Equally.
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Lol,

Computer newb logic:

Moar Ram = Faster
Moar GPU Vram = Faster
Moar Cores = Faster
Moar Ghz = Faster
Moar expensive = Better
Moar advertised = Better

I'm not sure why you guys are surprised. The Enthusiast market is pretty small compared to standard users.
   
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Lol,
Computer newb logic:
Moar Ram = Faster
Moar GPU Vram = Faster
Moar Cores = Faster
Moar Ghz = Faster
Moar expensive = Better
Moar advertised = Better
I'm not sure why you guys are surprised. The Enthusiast market is pretty small compared to standard users.

^ I was definitely in this group like a year ago so I can say this is probably how a lot of ppl think, which could explain it...
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