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Originally Posted by Stefy View Post

Whether BD is good or not is absolutely relevant for this discussion.

Maybe, but whether or not intel is... is not.....
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Haven't read through the whole thread yet, but I would guess its because many people are computer enthusiasts that simply enjoy buying hardware and making rigs. They aren't looking for something to beat out their sandybridge, they just want something new, or to see how fast they can get bulldozer.
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Originally Posted by BallaTheFeared View Post

Hopefully Intel can do something with it, they have always taken what AMD came up with and made it so much better.
Again though, with AMD out of the performance segment of desktop computing there really is no need for this discussion.
Don't bother, every benchmark he can produce with the 8150 will get matched or beat by a i5-2500k, while costing less, and using half as much power.
The only benches my chip loses to bulldozer is ones that support the new instructions, and true crypt.
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I don't understand this; Intel also does all of those as well or better than AMD. For example the perfect CPU for your benefit would be the i7 2600k. It trumps BD is every way from single-threaded use to multi-threaded use. Yes, it costs ~$40 more than an FX 8150, but that $40 is well spent on a processor that is not only much faster, but also more efficient. Even if you don't think the $40 is worth it, then the $180 i5 2500k trades blows on the multi-threaded use and still stomps the AMD CPU on lowly-threaded use.
I just don't know why anyone will buy these chips will Intel clearly offers the best choice on overall price/performance (i5 2500k), and the best economical option for multi-thread users (i7 2600k) and the best performance overall (i7 3930k)...
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Originally Posted by jprovido View Post

that's not the issue here. everyone knows intel is outselling amd. although a lot of people here are not expecting bulldozer to be also doing well in sales despite being a horrible perfroming cpu
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Originally Posted by jtom320 View Post

I doubt it's doing well in sales either. AMD wouldn't be coming out saying they are shifting focus away from the desktop CPU market if BD was s uch a huge success. The real reason for this is likely yield issues but until we get concrete numbers my guess is as uniformed as the OPs.
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No, that's where you're wrong. YOU are trying to convince people to buy a CPU by using manipulative methods. You, a single person, is trying to make it seem like BD is a great CPU because you are above everyone else and knows the truth. YET, all the reviews that been done on this product speaks otherwise. I'm not alone when I say that you are an extremely biased person towards AMD.
It's not a matter of bashing AMD, it's about not using false arguements to convince people to buy BAD products when there are better options. According to you, any person speaking against AMD is a fanboy and therefore should leave this thread. You see, your hostility towards people without the same opinion as you is striking, and it's pretty obvious. You are ignoring the evidence, which are the reviews all over the internet, proving that BD is not as good as you want it to be.
So let's see: Ignoring evidence? Check. Biased? Check. Hostile and disrespectful towards other opinions? Check. And list goes on. When you know how to stay objective, please make sure you do. People criticizing BD has every right in the world to be here.

All you people talk like you know everything. What you are talking about all comes to personal opinion. It is obvious that your opinion is that intel is the best and BD is crap. Thats fine. Whatever. I agree that intel is in a better position at the moment. Why you guys talk about why are people buying BD when intel is clearly the better choice. That is your opinion. I like intel and I like amd. I have an i5 2500K at work and I have a BD at home. I prefer the BD over the i5 simply because I like its performance over the i5 for what I use it for. At work I do a lot of autoCAD and 3D design and I also take my work home with me. BD performs better with these programs along with a lot of other things i like to do simultaneously. This is a personal opinion. Intel does have some really nice processors and yes teh i5 and i7 are very nice processors. Okay, you said how you feel about it so stop repeating it. I like the performance of the i5 and i7 and I would really like to have a sb-e in my system buy I just dont have that kind of money. I prefer teh BD of the i5 for what I use it for. Bottom line. If a BD owner is happy with their chip then that is all that matters. If they're not then they'll return it. Simple as that. What is the big deal. When BD first came out I was a little disappointed until bios update provided from asus came out and stabalized the chip very well. Now I am stable at 5Ghz and it performs great for me. It all comes down to personal preference. Thats it. You guys sit here and talk about how much better intel is than amd or how much better amd is than intel. Everyone has their own beliefs and thats just how its going to be. If you are happy with you chip then thats all that matters. If you dont like your chiip get another one. Thats all there is to it. I get to experience 2500 and BD everyday and I like both of them. They are both good chips to me. Like I said it all comes dow to opinion. I know plenty of people who prefer BD over i5 and I know plenty of people who prefer i5 over BD. Personal preference, key word "personal". You guys continue to try to convince people that intel is better or BD sucks or amd is better or i5 sucks. Thats fine. Whatever floats your boat. If you are happy with your chip then good for you. What is the point of bashing someone elses chip if they are happy with its performance and it does what they need it to do. Thats all that matters. This thread is like listening to an atheist trying to convince a christian there is no god. It just doesn't work. Get over it. If you are happy with you chip and they are happy with their chip, then what is the point of arguing about it. Most of this thread is like a bunch of ******* locked in a room of bouncy balls.

It all comes down to personal preference and opinion and it seems like most of you get your opinion from what someone else said. Come to your own opinion. Do the research, compare, then make you decision, and keep it to yourself unless someone asks you opinion. Personally I think if you have no experience with current BD performance than you shouldn't be talking about it like you designed the damn thing. You have your thoughts, he has his thoughts, and they have their thoughts. Stop arguing about things that really dont matter.
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post #304 of 495
Except that it doesn't come down to opinion. You can argue ALL YOU WANT, but evidence speaks for itself. Your personal opinion changes nothing.
You can buy a BD if you want, no one's stopping you, but that doesn't give your the right to spread lies about its performance.

And the reason BD is selling so well is simply due many cores and high core frequency, plus servers and the occasional misinformed person.
Edited by Stefy - 12/11/11 at 10:22am
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Actually the reality is Thubans are a better choice. Thubans overclock well and use much less power. Not to mention it scales better, has better IPC, and can be had at a cheaper price point.

No Thurbans are not a better choice as actual testing has shown. If you actually compare the two properly the FX CPUs are pulling ahead. Not by much, but they are better and the prices are coming down. Thurban does use less power but for most this isn't a significant concern.
post #306 of 495
Bulldozer is a decent chip, there's no denying that.
The thing is... There are better alternatives for the same-ish price range.
The 8120 is about 20 dollars cheaper than the 2500K.
Let's look at this from an enthusiast perspective.
When both are OCed to their max potential with similar/same cooling, which is the better option price/performance?
I'm sure the 2500K would win by a long shot and for a measly 20 dollars more all while using less power and having better single threaded performance.

Unfortunately people keep on beating the dead horse around here and it needs to stop.
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Except that it doesn't come down to opinion. You can argue ALL YOU WANT, but evidence speaks for itself. Your personal opinion changes nothing.
You can buy a BD if you want, no one's stopping you, but that doesn't give your the right to spread lies about its performance.
And the reason BD is selling so well is simply due many cores and high core frequency, plus servers and the occasional misinformed person.

People PLEASE stop the B.S.

You do not know that consumers are buying the FX CPUs because they have more cores, high frequency or they are misinformed. rolleyes.gif You have no accurate means to know why they are buying the FX CPUs.

The "evidence" is that people are buying BDs and they are buying them as fast as GloFo can produce them or faster. The performance of BD/FX is only slightly better than Thurban but the FX CPUs OC better than the Deneb or Thurban CPUs so they are great fun and they scale well. The FX CPUs are not a big step forwward in performance but they are still just fine for 99% of the world.

People are buying FX CPUs because they want them. THAT IS REALITY and all the hate and arguing isn't going to change reality so PLEASE stop the B.S.
Edited by AMD4ME - 12/11/11 at 10:44am
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No Thurbans are not a better choice as actual testing has shown. If you actually compare the two properly the FX CPUs are pulling ahead. Not by much, but they are better and the prices are coming down. Thurban does use less power but for most this isn't a significant concern.

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I would call this a significant concern. And yes, as testing has shown, Thubans are indeed a better choice.
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Not everyone in the world knew what is happening to FX CPUs. Some consumer never read any reviews but only from AMD itself. So they are kinda brainwashed by the dumbfound PR media.

They all think that every company has to be legit on the news even they are loop holes behind it. They say more cores is better, okay I'll take more cores CPU. Then you realize when you come to some conclusion in some forums bragging about my CPU is better than your Phenom is just plain dumb in real world usage. Even more dumb if you're using for youtube, internet browsing or gaming.

To set real purpose on those CPU if you are actually running Maya, Productions softwares or AutoCAD and etc. Otherwise stick to 4 cores as for now. If newer application started using more cores by then it would have something else beside these expensive FX CPUs.

Also by the time in 2015... we won't be using CPU but GPU power. We might be gapping between consumer GPU and Professional GPU (FirePro/Quadro).
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Maybe, but whether or not intel is... is not.....

it is when whether BD is good or not is determined by how it compares to intel's similarly priced offerings.
 
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