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#7 ·
you said that @ 1000hz the max perfect control speeds are as follows
450dpi 2.9 m/s
1150dpi 2.6 m/s
2300dpi 3.3 m/s
what about 500hz ? you said it's worse but i see no numbers, did you actually test for neg accel at that polling rate ?
very informative review btw, i thought 1150dpi setting was more reliable than 450 for fast swipes, are you sure there's no jitter at 2300dpi ?
 
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Originally Posted by powerslave View Post

Thanks for your review,
Being a very low sens player,what speed you hit in game ?
Is there a software to estimate these speeds accurately?i 'm wandering what speed i hit (45 cm per 360)
In the review he said he could/would switch to the AM if it's tracking speed was a bit higher, so I'm guessing anywhere from 3.5-4 m/s. Guessing is pretty much all you can do, as I doubt there's something you could leave running while you game that would keep track of that.
 
#13 ·
The perfect control speeds don't seem that bad to me at all. Well except the 1150 one. But In perspective this thing's perfect control speed is twice as high as the popular intelli 1.1 and 3.0 from microsoft.

According to this http://www.esreality.com/?a=longpost&id=1265679&page=14 It's perfect control speed is even higher than the mx518, which I personally could never make skip even once nor hit negative accel on.

When actually gaming (normally) do you hit those speeds you mentioned?
 
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Originally Posted by scandalous View Post

The perfect control speeds don't seem that bad to me at all. Well except the 1150 one. But In perspective this thing's perfect control speed is twice as high as the popular intelli 1.1 and 3.0 from microsoft.
According to this http://www.esreality.com/?a=longpost&id=1265679&page=14 It's perfect control speed is even higher than the mx518, which I personally could never make skip even once nor hit negative accel on.
When actually gaming (normally) do you hit those speeds you mentioned?
he may hit them with 40"/360 but i dont know if he meant centimeters cause 40 inches is the slowest i heard of.
 
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Originally Posted by scandalous View Post

The perfect control speeds don't seem that bad to me at all. Well except the 1150 one. But In perspective this thing's perfect control speed is twice as high as the popular intelli 1.1 and 3.0 from microsoft.
According to this http://www.esreality.com/?a=longpost&id=1265679&page=14 It's perfect control speed is even higher than the mx518, which I personally could never make skip even once nor hit negative accel on.
When actually gaming (normally) do you hit those speeds you mentioned?
sujoy [ESR] tested the mx518 at 1600dpi, its sensor is 400-800cpi native, if he tested at lower dpi then the max perfect control speed would be much higher
 
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Originally Posted by SoFGR View Post

sujoy [ESR] tested the mx518 at 1600dpi, its sensor is 400-800cpi native, if he tested at lower dpi then the max perfect control speed would be much higher
518 (A3080) should be 400-1600 native w/ counts halved from 1600 to produce a 800 CPI step.

518 V2 (A3080E) was 800-1800 with counts halved from 800 according to a Logitech engineer.

G400 (S3095) is 800-3600 with counts halved from both 800 and 3600 to produce 400 and 1800 CPI steps.

Max speed tends to be higher at lower CPI steps with most mice. Deathadder and the Zowie AM somehow voided that rule.
 
#17 ·
450dpi 2.9 m/s
1150dpi 2.6 m/s
2300dpi 3.3 m/s

How did you come up with these numbers?
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Originally Posted by scandalous View Post

The perfect control speeds don't seem that bad to me at all. Well except the 1150 one. But In perspective this thing's perfect control speed is twice as high as the popular intelli 1.1 and 3.0 from microsoft.

According to this http://www.esreality.com/?a=longpost&id=1265679&page=14 It's perfect control speed is even higher than the mx518, which I personally could never make skip even once nor hit negative accel on.
There's no point comparing these with Sujoy's results. Most likely Ramla tested with a software program like Enotus, which is highly inaccurate.
 
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Originally Posted by SoFGR View Post

sujoy [ESR] tested the mx518 at 1600dpi, its sensor is 400-800cpi native, if he tested at lower dpi then the max perfect control speed would be much higher
I was just about to post this. Using enotus on my 1600DPI MX518 the 800 and 1600 steps match Sujoy's findings but at 400 DPI it can track at twice that speed.

I think its unfortunate to hear that the button problem WAS real just like the Mico and that the perfect control speed is still less than that of much older mice. I'm still going to throw $60 at Zowie though, even If I have to file the buttons down and be forced to use the 2300 CPI step.
 
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Originally Posted by Derp View Post

I was just about to post this. Using enotus on my 1600DPI MX518 the 800 and 1600 steps match Sujoy's findings but at 400 DPI it can track at twice that speed.
I think its unfortunate to hear that the button problem WAS real just like the Mico and that the perfect control speed is still less than that of much older mice. I'm still going to throw $60 at Zowie though, even If I have to file the buttons down and be forced to use the 2300 CPI step.
That means Sujoy's testing is kinda flawed as his test only represent max resolutions.
 
#20 ·
Thanks for review!
I do believe you should clean your mousepad before making Perfect Control tests. It may cause inaccurate results.
2.9m/s Perfect control at 450 DPI is pretty good TBH. I'm pretty sure it'll be enough for me. I do ~24cm per 360.
I hope HiiYaa will post his review pretty soon, coz this point I'm pretty sure I'll order AM as soon as it shows in my country.

Btw. Ramla your the reason I didn't bought Mamba, and I'm thankful for that.
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Keep up the good work.!
 
#21 ·
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Originally Posted by Derp View Post

I think its unfortunate to hear that the button problem WAS real just like the Mico and that the perfect control speed is still less than that of much older mice. I'm still going to throw $60 at Zowie though, even If I have to file the buttons down and be forced to use the 2300 CPI step.
Why would you do that if you're not satisfied with the findings so far?
 
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Originally Posted by BiGsTaR View Post

Thanks for review!
I do believe you should clean your mousepad before making Perfect Control tests. It may cause inaccurate results.
2.9m/s Perfect control at 450 DPI is pretty good TBH. I'm pretty sure it'll be enough for me. I do ~24cm per 360.
I hope HiiYaa will post his review pretty soon, coz this point I'm pretty sure I'll order AM as soon as it shows in my country.
Btw. Ramla your the reason I didn't bought Mamba, and I'm thankful for that.
smile.gif

Keep up the good work.!
Yeah, you'd have to be pretty crazy to reach that with 24cm/360.
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Originally Posted by nyshak View Post

Why would you do that if you're not satisfied with the findings so far?
Well, the only mouse that really competes with this shape and sensor-wise is the Xai/Sensei. And the Xai is not an option for me personally for a few reasons, so that leaves one option (at least for me)
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And to be honest, nothing so far worries me too much. Mainly wondering about how I like the shape and feel.
 
#24 ·
I am not going to buy AM!
Zowiegears mice are very expensive even tho they cost much less than actual price should be.

Actually I am done with following companies!
1st one is Puretrack! Never ever gonna buy their ****!
2nd Zowie gear (experienced both of previous mice! nothing special)
3rd Razer (Enough of them lol blindly making mice with twin eye sensor and jittery idiotic shape like Abyssus)
Only best mouse they made was Deathadder 3G

I will continue to buy small light weight mice without Pixart sensor from Logitech and Steelseries!
 
#25 ·
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Originally Posted by toopz View Post

I am not going to buy AM!
Zowiegears mice are very expensive even tho they cost much less than actual price should be.
Actually I am done with following companies!
1st one is Puretrack! Never ever gonna buy their ****!
2nd Zowie gear (experienced both of previous mice! nothing special)
3rd Razer (Enough of them lol blindly making mice with twin eye sensor and jittery idiotic shape like Abyssus)
Only best mouse they made was Deathadder 3G
I will continue to buy small light weight mice without Pixart sensor from Logitech and Steelseries!
The price in U.S. dollars I consider great, though the euro price seems much higher. Keep in mind how much newer and smaller Zowie is and how little they sell compared to the big guys (and Razer charges high prices for what I consider to be below average quality). I can relate with you on the brand preferences, personally I won't buy a Razer or SS product anymore unless it ends up being exceptional and better than what they've done so far. Microsoft and Logitech just put out generally solidly made gaming products with good warranties, they are the shining knights of the industry, too bad they haven't targeted me personally yet, I wish either made a gaming 3.0 or IMO1.1 shaped mouse.
 
#26 ·
If you order a Razer mouse directly from Razer, it hardly comes cheaper. It's true that most of the price reduction comes from Razer or Steel getting recognized by the big resellers. Zowie does not have that (and I don't know if I ever want them to become mainstream...probably not
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. Point being: Razer does not sell cheap. Compare a Razer price to a Zowie price directly, then compare the quality. What would you buy?

Which does not mean ofc, that both do not charge too much for what they offer.
 
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