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Do you expect Fiat Punto to be as good as Camarro if you put camaros wheel in it?
You can stop worrying since you wont hear any difference in quality with your gear.
I have to say, I wanted to just post picture of "Not sure if serious" at first.
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Originally Posted by Tamilarasu View Post

I have one Doubt, i can hear test tones from various sources upto 17KHz without dramatic decrease in volume and i can hear 18KHz barely and some noise tests also deliver the result 'OK', I am 22years old, Do i need further check up for my ears or My ears are not trained?
Any way i will upgrade my Gears for $400 and want to test it again to feel the difference between FLAC and 128Kbps Mp3.

Be careful with the constant gear upgrade mentality. Not to call you out here DiNet, because I do agree with you, but I just like to make "spend more money!" comes with an explanation. More so than most things IMO, audio equipment hits HUGE diminishing returns very quickly. Not only this, but you leave the logical side of the hobby and stray into the non-sense side of the hobby. I've seen it all too often on head-fi, "of course you can't hear a difference between cables, you need to spend at least $1000 on an amp before you can hear cable differences!"

Don't get me wrong, moving from onboard laptop sound to a $400 setup is going to be awesome. My favorite (and most noticeable) upgrade in all of audio was my very first pair of SR-60's and a D2 Boa. Just don't rush out and upgrade more if you still can't hear the difference, odds are that if a $400 setup doesn't make the difference audible to you, neither will $10,000. Take a lot of time to get comfortable with your new setup before immediately trying to jump into critical listening.
    
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Be careful with the constant gear upgrade mentality. Not to call you out here DiNet, because I do agree with you, but I just like to make "spend more money!" comes with an explanation. More so than most things IMO, audio equipment hits HUGE diminishing returns very quickly. Not only this, but you leave the logical side of the hobby and stray into the non-sense side of the hobby. I've seen it all too often on head-fi, "of course you can't hear a difference between cables, you need to spend at least $1000 on an amp before you can hear cable differences!"
Don't get me wrong, moving from onboard laptop sound to a $400 setup is going to be awesome. My favorite (and most noticeable) upgrade in all of audio was my very first pair of SR-60's and a D2 Boa. Just don't rush out and upgrade more if you still can't hear the difference, odds are that if a $400 setup doesn't make the difference audible to you, neither will $10,000. Take a lot of time to get comfortable with your new setup before immediately trying to jump into critical listening.

I agree with this.

After my high-fidelity journey (my headphone journey is pretty much over; my speaker journey is ongoing), I'm of the opinion that:


i. Any DAC above $100-200 isn't worth the money; all DACs sound pretty much the same provided they pass a minimum threshold of quality and are engineered soundly and measure well.

ii. All portable headphone amplifiers (and most desktop headphone amplifiers) are a waste of money.

iii. Cables don't really make a difference (N.B.: I'm using aftermarket silver cables for my JH13s).

iv. 192kbps CBR is the point where distinguishing from lossless takes some effort; v0 is pretty much transparent.

v. Headphones/speakers are the most important and most worth your investment.


And other findings, but that's just some of what I've discovered in a rather expensive path.
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Funny that most current FLAC/CD Audio isn't even the highest quality we are hearing...
http://news.cnet.com/8301-13645_3-10256034-47.html
http://www.squidoo.com/buy-beatles-usb
PS: MP3s sound crispier.

'crisper' meaning more artifacting + your ears accommodating for that artifacting.
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I agree with this.
After my high-fidelity journey (my headphone journey is pretty much over; my speaker journey is ongoing), I'm of the opinion that:
i. Any DAC above $100-200 isn't worth the money; all DACs sound pretty much the same provided they pass a minimum threshold of quality and are engineered soundly and measure well.
ii. All portable headphone amplifiers (and most desktop headphone amplifiers) are a waste of money.
iii. Cables don't really make a difference (N.B.: I'm using aftermarket silver cables for my JH13s).
iv. 192kbps CBR is the point where distinguishing from lossless takes some effort; v0 is pretty much transparent.
v. Headphones/speakers are the most important and most worth your investment.
And other findings, but that's just some of what I've discovered in a rather expensive path.

i. HIGHLY depends on the engineering
ii. See i. and highly depends on the implementation. Not to mention a portable headphone amp can (if engineered properly) issues such as output impedance of devices and thus issues such as matching with BA type earphones (see BA earphones being too efficient. Yes, too much power efficiency can be a bad thing.). Some 'audiophile' products are so badly engineered it's criminal (Yes, criminal). It's not to say all of them are however.
iv. Highly depends on dynamic range of the track
V. It is but it's not to neglect the other aspects but yes, the output is the thing you should spend the most on.

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there is ALOT of FUD in A/V in general, not just with sound. The above two clears a lot of FUD.
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I have one Doubt, i can hear test tones from various sources upto 17KHz without dramatic decrease in volume and i can hear 18KHz barely and some noise tests also deliver the result 'OK', I am 22years old, Do i need further check up for my ears or My ears are not trained?
Any way i will upgrade my Gears for $400 and want to test it again to feel the difference between FLAC and 128Kbps Mp3.

Hearing tests really only focus on what you need to be able to hear, not if you can hear the very minute details that a full quality Lossless audio track would give over an mp3. The reason that those people cant hold a tune is because they're ears aren't sensitive enough to tell them that they're off pitch from what they are trying to reproduce...
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I don't disagree.

Ideally your output source should have the output impedance you're looking for. A portable amplifier is a waste of money when a suitable amplification circuit on a source (e.g. the venerable Sansa Clip series and its remarkably low output impedance) could obviate the potential issue and save you money (and size). If you need a car with a diesel engine you should just buy a diesel engine car instead of buying a petrol car and adding a diesel engine onto it.

Dynamic range is a factor as well as your hearing capabilities (among a few other notables), but nonetheless my personal finding is that v0 is transparent. One could argue it's distinguishable but I'd argue you have to listen for it and make an effort, and that just makes music listening stupid (I'm of the opinion that listening and quality should be effortless).

People just spend too much money on non-headphone, non-speaker components of the chain and it's downright silly. There's also a lack of valid, scientifically-sound documented evidence of distinguishable differences existing within commonly-purported audiophile concepts (cables, amplifier differences, DAC differences, et alia).
Edited by friend'scatdied - 12/15/11 at 12:51pm
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Be careful with the constant gear upgrade mentality. Not to call you out here DiNet, because I do agree with you, but I just like to make "spend more money!" comes with an explanation. More so than most things IMO, audio equipment hits HUGE diminishing returns very quickly. Not only this, but you leave the logical side of the hobby and stray into the non-sense side of the hobby. I've seen it all too often on head-fi, "of course you can't hear a difference between cables, you need to spend at least $1000 on an amp before you can hear cable differences!"

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People just spend too much money on non-headphone, non-speaker components of the chain and it's downright silly. There's also a lack of valid, scientifically-sound documented evidence of distinguishable differences existing within commonly-purported audiophile concepts (cables, amplifier differences, DAC differences, et alia).


Both these are too true.

There's a very, very steep curve between price/audiable difference which trails off into indistinguishable at a certain level.

I swear the only people who advocate such hideously priced componentry are those who have enough money to buy it and have convinced themselves they are worth the money.

I do believe DACs are vitally important to the end quality in a digital medium-based setup, though...
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OMG please don't wander down that path. Unless you are looking for something to spend money on. If you like the sound of your audio as it is, please don't waste the time to start trying to hear better. For me now after learning some hard lessons, I rather just listen to my audio instead of trying to hear the difference rather than enjoying my stuff
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Guys at last after many of your valuable reply to my forum and after several tests(128kbps vs FLAC) i found my ears ears are little insensitive (Though i can hear up to 17000hz)..
with the same gear setup my sister can hear the difference..

Now i'm feeling so Frustrated and I love music so much, but now i'm able to think about, the same music feels irritating, i'm unable to hook my head phone to hear it.

Any i'll going to doctor to confirm it .

Thank you for your tons of replies.

(Note:i'm really sorry if any one dislikes the above thing)
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Well, the PC350 isn't that great, the RE0 is pretty clear so you should be hearing most of the differences over that IEM except on the low scale. The SR60s are pretty low on the audio scale, can't even remember the last time I heard someone say that had SR60s.
But you should be hearing the differences, imo. Either listen to your favorite track over and over on 128kb and then on FLAC and see if you can pick out differences (differences with changed volume as well).
As Wishmaster said though, could come down to your ear, but that's hard to say whether your ear can pick it up or not. Some can just hear it and others just can't. It sucks and there's nothing you can really do about it other than listen to a lot of music with high concentration.
No, the leap isn't quite that obvious, haha. I was just wondering if you could hear the difference between the two. The difference is closer to 360/480p vs 1080p IMO, but even then that isn't accurate since I still hate how certain 1080p video songs sound compared to FLAC on my PC.

Shouldn't the PC350 be the best out of the three? I thought they had the same drivers as the 595s, and I have them bass modded.
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