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post #1341 of 1402
Also have a kana in the box at the shelf.

Like the kinzu more thought due to switches.

But quality is as always random with ss latley, mousewheel rattles. But if you press it down hard it stop the rattle for like a day.

Feels like buying cheap OEM crap last purchases with ss :/
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lol, mine is in the box at my shelf, would never give away stuff to randoms though ;O

Nivity! Lets talk smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gifthumb.gif
post #1343 of 1402
Hello!

I got the ss kana, and I want to change the left mouse button, to a lighter one, I have a lot of experience with soldering, but I don't know how to disassemble the mouse, and what kind of switch should I get ?

I'd appreciate some advice,


Thanks in advance
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i'm no random! I'm a forum lurker, but no random. smile.gif I will trade Kana for it if you want
why are you giving away kana?
post #1345 of 1402
I'm considering either Kinzu V2 or Kinzu V2 pro, do you guys recommend it for someone with small hands?

Also I have read in this thread that the kinzu has crap sensor(?), I own a Zowie AM it has ADNS-3090 which I could butcher.
I find my zowie AM to be too long and the smalles part of the AM is too thin for my grip (58mm).
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Here's that video I said I'd make:

I just read youre nice review, from long finger to end of palm I'm 18cm also I usually have just thumb and little finger on side of the mouse and 3 fingers on top.

Looking at youre review the Kinzu has the best feel form moving but it has crap sensor so you instead like the Kana mouse because superior sensor?

Have you tried the Sensei? It looks same size as Kana and is the flagship mouse.

I currently have a Zowie AM but it's so thin my little finger and ring finger need to be on side for whenever I lift it.
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I'm considering either Kinzu V2 or Kinzu V2 pro, do you guys recommend it for someone with small hands?
Also I have read in this thread that the kinzu has crap sensor(?), I own a Zowie AM it has ADNS-3090 which I could butcher.
I find my zowie AM to be too long and the smalles part of the AM is too thin for my grip (58mm).
I just read youre nice review, from long finger to end of palm I'm 18cm also I usually have just thumb and little finger on side of the mouse and 3 fingers on top.
Looking at youre review the Kinzu has the best feel form moving but it has crap sensor so you instead like the Kana mouse because superior sensor?
Have you tried the Sensei? It looks same size as Kana and is the flagship mouse.
I currently have a Zowie AM but it's so thin my little finger and ring finger need to be on side for whenever I lift it.

The kinzuadder is very popular among FPS enthusiasts and has more of the properties you are looking for. It uses a deathadder PCB inside a kinzu.

I don't think you can butcher a zowie AM. Zowie uses a lot of custom stuff such as their scroll wheel and their switches. Huano switches are already awful inside the AM, they would probably be deplorable inside a kinzu.

The Kinzu sensor is not THAT bad; it is just not as good as the Avago-3090 (or 3088 if you make a kinzuadder). The kana and Kinzu v2 (pro or normal edition) both use a pixart sensor that exhibits a lot of jitter at high sensitivites but is ok at low sensitivities with no acceleration (but other issues like a weird malfunction at max velocity). The Kinzu is much lighter than the AM and the Kana is almost exactly the same as the lauded IMO 3.0 ergonomically (At least to me when I used it).

Do not consider the sensei if you are a competitive gamer that's coming from the Avago-3090. The Avago 9500 is a huge downgrade in terms of accuracy.

If the zowie AM is too thin for you, look into getting a Razer Abyssus, Roccat Savu, CM Storm Spawn/Xornet/Recon, or EC2 Evo. These are all about the same size and sport the most accurate Avago sensors. The kana is not that bad either but if the AM is too thin, its likeley the kinzu will be too.

I, myself, plan to get a kinzu v2 (non-pro because for some reason they don't produced a rubberized version of the pro v2) and replace its switches to some Japanese omrons (along with replace the feet for some teflon feet). This will complement my current EC2 Evo and Death Adder BE. I want to try a smaller mouse for SC2.

Anyways, all the best to you in your hunt.
post #1347 of 1402
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The kinzuadder is very popular among FPS enthusiasts and has more of the properties you are looking for. It uses a deathadder PCB inside a kinzu.
I don't think you can butcher a zowie AM. Zowie uses a lot of custom stuff such as their scroll wheel and their switches. Huano switches are already awful inside the AM, they would probably be deplorable inside a kinzu.
The Kinzu sensor is not THAT bad; it is just not as good as the Avago-3090 (or 3088 if you make a kinzuadder). The kana and Kinzu v2 (pro or normal edition) both use a pixart sensor that exhibits a lot of jitter at high sensitivites but is ok at low sensitivities with no acceleration (but other issues like a weird malfunction at max velocity). The Kinzu is much lighter than the AM and the Kana is almost exactly the same as the lauded IMO 3.0 ergonomically (At least to me when I used it).
Do not consider the sensei if you are a competitive gamer that's coming from the Avago-3090. The Avago 9500 is a huge downgrade in terms of accuracy.
If the zowie AM is too thin for you, look into getting a Razer Abyssus, Roccat Savu, CM Storm Spawn/Xornet/Recon, or EC2 Evo. These are all about the same size and sport the most accurate Avago sensors. The kana is not that bad either but if the AM is too thin, its likeley the kinzu will be too.
I, myself, plan to get a kinzu v2 (non-pro because for some reason they don't produced a rubberized version of the pro v2) and replace its switches to some Japanese omrons (along with replace the feet for some teflon feet). This will complement my current EC2 Evo and Death Adder BE. I want to try a smaller mouse for SC2.
Anyways, all the best to you in your hunt.

I don't recommend you the kinzu v2 if you are planning to use it to play starcraft. To play SC2 you need hight sens and the kinzu v2 jitters a lot in high dpi setthings, though the shape is completly amazing.
post #1348 of 1402
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Originally Posted by Diogenes5 View Post

The kinzuadder is very popular among FPS enthusiasts and has more of the properties you are looking for. It uses a deathadder PCB inside a kinzu.
I don't think you can butcher a zowie AM. Zowie uses a lot of custom stuff such as their scroll wheel and their switches. Huano switches are already awful inside the AM, they would probably be deplorable inside a kinzu.
The Kinzu sensor is not THAT bad; it is just not as good as the Avago-3090 (or 3088 if you make a kinzuadder). The kana and Kinzu v2 (pro or normal edition) both use a pixart sensor that exhibits a lot of jitter at high sensitivites but is ok at low sensitivities with no acceleration (but other issues like a weird malfunction at max velocity). The Kinzu is much lighter than the AM and the Kana is almost exactly the same as the lauded IMO 3.0 ergonomically (At least to me when I used it).
Do not consider the sensei if you are a competitive gamer that's coming from the Avago-3090. The Avago 9500 is a huge downgrade in terms of accuracy.
If the zowie AM is too thin for you, look into getting a Razer Abyssus, Roccat Savu, CM Storm Spawn/Xornet/Recon, or EC2 Evo. These are all about the same size and sport the most accurate Avago sensors. The kana is not that bad either but if the AM is too thin, its likeley the kinzu will be too.
I, myself, plan to get a kinzu v2 (non-pro because for some reason they don't produced a rubberized version of the pro v2) and replace its switches to some Japanese omrons (along with replace the feet for some teflon feet). This will complement my current EC2 Evo and Death Adder BE. I want to try a smaller mouse for SC2.
Anyways, all the best to you in your hunt.

I have rep+ you sir nice information smile.gif

I think my grip is "clawgrip" as in Windows 7 using little finger and thumb on sides of mouse to move it, in counterstrike I must have ringfinger also on the side with littlefinger of mouse to be able to lift it (as I stated Zowie AM is too looooong and it is 58mm wide in the thinnest spot).

I'm not a "proffessional" player I just started playing online FPS before I have played lot's of single player FPS but now I've played 100hours of CS:GO and really like it.
I'm still trying to figure out what kind of sensitivity player I'm, for most part I played 2300dpi and 2.3 in game sensitivity this I belive is insanely fast, so for a shot time now I play at 2300dpi and 1.78 in CS:GO, I had 2 one hour session of Deathmatch with 1:1 KDR my KDR used to be about 0.79 this could also be because I have improved my aim and reflexes ofcourse aswell and not because of lower sensitivity...

I'm not entirely sure why the youtube video I posted claims Kana has better sensor(?!) compared to Kinzu if it is the same exact sensor?
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Nyso its not really true ,really depends what you prefer high sens or not.
If you know marineking he plays with 800 dpi and hes pretty good smile.gif
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Even if a mouse utilizes the same sensor, performance and cursor fidelity will differ based on quality surrounding hardware and firmware. I'm not exactly fond of some solutions used by a few companies.

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Originally Posted by grandpatzer View Post


I'm not entirely sure why the youtube video I posted claims Kana has better sensor(?!) compared to Kinzu if it is the same exact sensor?

The original Kinzu had a very low cost sensor and hardware package propped in a gaming mouse.


The V2 uses the same sensor as the kana, but it's not quite the same performance due to magnification changes offered by the main manufacturer. Refer to my sticky for an explanation.

In terms of performance, the Kinzu v2 is quite fine @ 400-1600 DPI. Max speed performance is quite low peaking out around 70 IPS.

The Kana will do fine at 400 and 800 DPI. 1600 cursor accuracy is quite messy and the 3200 range is interpolated from that "messy" setting. In terms of max speed, it will do around 130 IPS. Quite fine for most gaming situations.

Judging by your settings the Kinzu v2 will be fine.
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I, myself, plan to get a kinzu v2 and replace its switches to some Japanese omrons (along with replace the feet for some teflon feet).

I actually wonder if you could successfully blind test a lot of 10 or so mice of the same model (different batches) and correctly pick the ones with japan branded D2F. wink.gif

I'm leaning towards a very low chance ^^
Edited by Skylit - 9/9/12 at 5:57am
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