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When VT-d bug was announced, I believe it was two months before LGA2011 hit the market. That was very troublesome for workstation/business buyers, because they pretty much planned it beforehand.

"Real" workstation machines use Xeons (or opterons), of which there are plenty of E3 Xeons and older 5500/5600 Xeons (and a bunch of Opterons) that support VT-D and/or AMD's equivalent technology. I really hope that there weren't a lot of businesses jonesing for consumer-grade i7s to go into their workstations for serious virtualization activity. The businesses who do need VT-D for their workstations and were in the market for new hardware when the 3930k/3960x were released were probably waiting for the E5 Xeons, which in all fairness were supposed to be here not long after the i7s were launched.

If businesses did buy a bunch of 3930K workstations, I'll bet they're not RMAing them en masse like the enthusiast crowd is.
    
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Yes, thank you. thumb.gif
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Alrighty, I hear you on that. It would be a silly reason to RMA imo. The process and these chips are still quite new, I doubt there has been enough time for refinements to deliver chips that are notably better than the C1 stepping. Some people RMAing for that reason could wind up with a chip that clocks worse than they one they sent in, poetic justice biggrin.gif
I do think it is a cost Intel is just going to have to bear though. They have no way of filtering who is genuinely needing the feature and who is not via RMA. There is even an argument if you want to nit pick that someone who doesn't even want the feature could RMA, simply because they advertised it being there. I think it will be a small contingent who RMA for this reason though, for myself it is going to be a headache to go without my SB-E system while the RMA process goes through shipping there and coming back to me, I'd assume most people would find the same headache.
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I got your back, I'm new to these forums, not to sarcasm wink.gif
Seaboom.com just called to confirm that the item was on hand and ready to ship, but could NOT confirm what stepping the CPU was. I can only assume that it is C2, but that would be coupled with the assumption that intel was truly out of C1 versions of the chip.
I paid the extra for the expedited shipping so I will update which version it is, but by then, I'm sure they will be back out of stock.


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"Real" workstation machines use Xeons (or opterons), of which there are plenty of E3 Xeons and older 5500/5600 Xeons (and a bunch of Opterons) that support VT-D and/or AMD's equivalent technology. I really hope that there weren't a lot of businesses jonesing for consumer-grade i7s to go into their workstations for serious virtualization activity. The businesses who do need VT-D for their workstations and were in the market for new hardware when the 3930k/3960x were released were probably waiting for the E5 Xeons, which in all fairness were supposed to be here not long after the i7s were launched.
If businesses did buy a bunch of 3930K workstations, I'll bet they're not RMAing them en masse like the enthusiast crowd is.

Not really, unless you plan to utilize ECC RAM 3930K/3960X work out just fine.

Only if you plan to run system 24/7 (server) then Xeon makes sense.
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Not really, unless you plan to utilize ECC RAM 3930K/3960X work out just fine.
Only if you plan to run system 24/7 (server) then Xeon makes sense.

If you go and buy a Dell or HP workstation product (AKA, a Dell Precision desktop or HP's Z series desktops) all but the cheapest models of the lines come with Xeons and ECC RAM.
    
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Not really sure when I have told people "to purchase something that doesn't exist" anywhere else but in that post, but ok.
I don't have a beef with VT-D users. I have a beef with people who knowingly bought a processor that did not include VT-D (this was a known "bug" when the CPU was released) and then, due to a technicality where intel briefly listed on their site that the CPUs do in fact support VT-D, now want new processors (for free) that support a feature 99.9 % of existing 3930k/3960x users will NEVER utilize. This part I've said before: Not many users know what VT-D even is, let alone why they need it for their personal machines.
I empathize with the users who are waiting for the chips to just come back in stock so they can order one. Intel should have made the transition smoother.

No worries. smile.gif Once the new chips come out an Intel refuses to replace them, they will be available en mass cheap on the OCN market place smile.gif

Everyone benefits. I'll be waiting for that day smile.gif
post #126 of 196
Just to let people know, Seaboom is scamming. Their webpage shows they have 10 in stock, but after they took my money they sent me an email saying that it'd be at least the 5th before they had the cpu's in hand. I'm a small business owner who needs a chip by next monday so I called to cancel the order so I could use the funds elsewhere. The red flag for me should have been when it took exactly 10 seconds to cancel the order I wasn't even allowed to finish my inital explanation, once they heard "cancel order", they interrutped me to ask for the order number and then told me it was cancelled a second later. I could be wrong, but I did some digging on the internet, and based off their practices Seaboom appears to be followign the model of an on-line scammer company that makes it's money by listing hard to find items or unbelievable prices while not having any stock on-hand. They then collect interest on the money until the customer gets aorund to cancelling the order.

-MaxGrav
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Also, if anyone does find a legit vendor with stock could you pls pm me? I've got an LGA 2011 machine that needs to be up by Monday so that we can leave for an already scheduled training session several states away, and I really don't want to have to bite the bullet and fork over an extra $400 for the 3960.

thanks,

-MaxGrav.
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I ordered through seaboom and did not receive that email. I got this email followed by an email with a tracking number.

"Dear *** :

Thank you for shopping at SeaBoom.com.

Your order number *** has been shipped. The tracking information will be automatically emailed to you shortly.

Again, we apologize for the delay, and thank you for your patience and understanding. If you have any questions, you can simply respond to this email or you can reach us at 516-304-5305 Mon-Fri 9:00AM-5:30PM EST.

SeaBoom.com Customer Service Team"

They actually called me when I asked, after ordering, whether it was c1 or c2. At that time I once again confirmed with him on the phone that he had it ready to ship, and he said he did.

I might be getting had, but I will call again tomorrow to confirm.
 
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Hmm, hopefully you don't get a C1.
    
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Hmm, hopefully you don't get a C1.

Well, even if I do get C1, I'm sure that, like most overclockers here, I won't be unhappy with it. Unless C2 has the same overclocks with at least a .5-.7v difference, then I won't need what it has to offer. My target overclock is 4.3-4.5 around 1.35v, for a 24/7 rig. From what I can see, it shouldn't be hard to get to at all.

After being on a 955 black edition @ 4ghz, i'm sure I will like what I get smile.gif
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