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Originally Posted by -iceblade^ View Post

this.
Ellis would love this xD
Actually, you don't need powerful graphics for this.
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This is very nice.
I doubt the macbook gets a discreet GPU.
There isn't a MacBook anymore, just a 13 inch MacBook Pro. As much as I'd like to say it will, I don't think it'll be getting discrete graphics.
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That would be disastrous. Graphics performance would be terrible.
If Apple somehow fits two 7990Ms into the MacBook Pro, MAYBE this would be a good decision.
With exception to gaming, everything would run fine. In terms of gaming, you can scale it down to 1440x900 and it should look the same as it does on a native 1440x900 panel.
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This is essentially the same thing as the "Retina" on the iPhone (UI dimensions kept the same, but increased detail) so essentially it's running the same dimensions as a 1440x900 resolution, but doubled the detail. I'm sure in certain situations the "Retina" can be shut off and go back to the normal resolution, like for gaming. This wouldn't run at the native 2880x1800 resolution, I can tell you that, it'd be impossible to read such small font at a laptop distance
I'd actually get one of these if it wasn't going to go in that rumored 15" MacBook Air. I need dedicated graphics power, not Intel integrated. This does sound like Apple could easily market this new MBA as the first ultrabook to have a Retina display. Ugh...
You won't be able to turn the "retina" off, but you will be able to adjust the resolution to 1440x900 which should look exactly the same as it does now. This should also work for games.
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im not being anti-apple, but to be honest, it will become one of these three:
1) it's not gonna happen (or at least it's delayed)
2) it's gonna happen, and that resolution will be supported by a 6870M
3) it's gonna happen, and the resolution will be supported by something actually good like a 6970M or beyond, but even the 15" version will cost $2500 or above.
will be nice to know such a thing exist (which supposedly stimulates competition), but I don't see it will be as accessible as apple claim it to be (be it in terms of the amount of time it takes to get here, or in terms of cost)
It's very likely going to be #2)

>>>>>

HD graphics won't do well at 2880x1800 at all, but they'll do fine at 1440x900 which should look the same as it does now on a native 1440x900 panel.
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With gaming aside, I'd say most of them. In regard to gaming you'd have to play at a lower resolution, which if done at 1440x900 which is half 2880x1800, should look the same as it would on a native 1440x900 display.
Oh and yeah it's 16:10.
It's going to work the same way it does on iOS -- content stays the same physical size but is drawn with four times more detail resulting in very crisp looking content.
I doubt we'll see any leaks for actual details although it's somewhat obvious what we'll be getting. Quad-core Ivy Bridge CPUs, 7xxx M series GPUs, etc., etc., what would be nice to know is if the 13 inch model will become a quad-core or not, and if it'll get discrete graphics.

Thanks you for the info!

Uhm wouldn't this be bad if you ran in native resolution?

Text would be too small? And even if you didn't you'd have lots of interpolated "pixels" that may cause inaccurate pictures?

Hmm.. it would be awesome if there's 1 physical button to change back and from native resolution (retina) back to your custom preferred resolution.

I bet showing high mega pixel images on retina 15" displays would be OMG SEXY! (just a guess). Then for practical use, click and switch back to 1080p or 900p. smile.gif

I am not too sure about this though and would love more input.

BTW the Iphone 4 screen looks great on close up and with use since it's easy to pinch and zoom and bring the display close to my eyes.. not too sure how to translate that with laptop screens.

Thanks again for answering!
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Thanks you for the info!
Uhm wouldn't this be bad if you ran in native resolution?
Text would be too small? And even if you didn't you'd have lots of interpolated "pixels" that may cause inaccurate pictures?
Hmm.. it would be awesome if there's 1 physical button to change back and from native resolution (retina) back to your custom preferred resolution.
I bet showing high mega pixel images on retina 15" displays would be OMG SEXY! (just a guess). Then for practical use, click and switch back to 1080p or 900p. smile.gif
I am not too sure about this though and would love more input.
BTW the Iphone 4 screen looks great on close up and with use since it's easy to pinch and zoom and bring the display close to my eyes.. not too sure how to translate that with laptop screens.
Thanks again for answering!
No, it wouldn't. Text would be the same size as it would on the 900p panel, only drawn with four times more detail. It's also exactly double 900p so we'd not see any graphical issues -- additionally, since Mac OS X and Windows aren't restricted to a specific resolution, the same could be done with a slightly higher resolution. For example, the 15 inch MacBook Pro has by default a 1440x900 resolution, and can be upgraded to a 1680x1050 resolution, if both became retina they would be 2880x1800 and 3360x2100 respectively. That'd offer the same amount of real estate as the two lower resolution panels since everything would be the same physical size, it's just there's more detail being drawn so it looks crisper.

There's no need to adjust the resolution since all that's happening is an increase in detail. The only exception is gaming, which you may need to lower to (e.g) 1440x900 which should look exactly the same as on a native 1440x900 panel. It's just 2880x1800 will look much more detailed and amazing thumb.gif
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I may not like Apple as a company, but they do have some kick-butt screens to look at.

Eh Dell Ultra Sharp's are where its at to me anyways.
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^this
It sounds like a plausible idea, but I'll have to see what on earth will a resolution of this caliber will be used for on a tiny screen. Frankly, I'm doing perfectly fine with 1280x800 on a 13" MB and 1680x1050 on a 22" monitor. I think that we should start to raise resolutions on TVs and desktop monitors before we consider increasing them for portable or mobile devices.

Well, starting out small then increasing to larger panels is the way to go. We first got the first successful high DPI consumer display in the smart phone (iPhone 4) then the next logical step would be panels in the 5-10" range (more than likely iPad 3.) I know the day will come when we have laptops with high DPI, but Q2 of 2012 seems a bit soon as we're just learning about the screens for the iPad 3 and those are 9" panels. If they are indeed having the uneven back lighting issues and will require dual LED light bars on the 9" panel, I'm pretty sure the solution would be a bit more problematic for 15" displays and I can't imagine on displays in the 20"+ range. OLED might solve the backlight issues, but still an expensive tech for large panels.

TVs on the other hand, we're just getting some providers getting minor 1080p content and most of them are running at 720p or 1080i. Until we get providers that will broadcast in full 1080p, I don't see the need right now for TVs to have any higher resolution. I don't think we'll see higher res TVs until at least 2020, but that's just my guess. (2000's for 480p the first "HD," 2010 for when 1080p is now fully standard.)
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What he says is pretty true though, even the absolute latest high-end GPUs would struggle at 2880x1800 and I'm afraid not even Apple can bend the laws of physics to get GTX 580 SLI power in a laptop with decent battery life.

Let me address this right now. These are not pixels as you see a pixel, the pixels are scaled up and down to create differing levels of detail and to create higher resolutions. You are getting higher resolutions by cheating the system. It's quite ingenious actually.
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I really don't see this happening within the next six months, year or even two. These resolutions are large and require a lot of horsepower to run. 4k at 60hz requires 2 dual link DVI or 2 displayports.

I'll believe it when I see it released and not before.
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HD graphics won't do well at 2880x1800 at all, but they'll do fine at 1440x900 which should look the same as it does now on a native 1440x900 panel.

Proof?

Intel's HD 3000 does not have the capabilities of 1024x768 at a reasonable framerate on anything but low settings. Best performance, on starcraft, would be 800x600, all settings low, running around 80 fps. No, 1440x900 with 3D is not going to happen on anything above graphics from 2001 (if intel even provides support for previous game engines).

http://www.notebookcheck.net/Intel-HD-Graphics-3000.37948.0.html

Given "Intel HD" rather then "Intel HD 2/3000", in laptops, I notice frame rate problems running the windows 7 GUI. Like, Intel is really crummy at anything unless properly tweaked by the user (which OSX is not as easy to tweak as windows).
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I really don't see this happening within the next six months, year or even two. These resolutions are large and require a lot of horsepower to run. 4k at 60hz requires 2 dual link DVI or 2 displayports.

This. It seems like these rumour mills forget the most basic concepts of bandwidth limitations to make this happen.

Resolution is not going to be a problem for a closed platform. They'll simply scale the GUI to lessen the eye sore.
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I may not like Apple as a company, but they do have some kick-butt screens to look at.

Eh, their displays do not, in any means, given the cost, reflect the colour quality of the display. Apple's most popular displays produce colour accuracy and gamut range of TFTs costing in the 200 dollar range.
Edited by Domino - 12/14/11 at 10:45pm
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Why would I buy an inferior piece of hardware (mac) at an excessive price to then have to buy another os (win7) to replace the unusable os (osx) that the laptop comes preloaded with? I'll just stick with the clear winner here. Lenovo.

You have many things completely wrong, and some right.

The Lenovo does allow for a much better battery life, but that is where you being right ends. Your dad's laptop's MSRP is $600 more expensive than the MBA and so it cannot directly be compared equally with something out of its price range. The reason why it's ridiculously on sale atm on Amazon is because the entire series is fundamentally flawed, and Lenovo is trying to get rid of them.

Also, I would like to point out the following things; the MBAs have a better screen than the thinkpads in their price range (both in terms of quality and in terms of resolution) and even a higher res than laptop $600 more expensive, they have the same amount of memory (even when compared to the $1800 model). Also, the MBA keyboard is much more comfortable imo at least - though I admit this is also personal, and they all provide the same cpu power having the same Intel ULVs and HD 3000 graphics. But you forgot to mention that the lower priced Lenovo does not have an SSD - quite a vast difference meaning if it's any laptop with inferior hardware, it's clearly the lower-end Lenovo-; and so it is simply incomparable to the MBA in terms of daily performance (see 47s boot of Lenovo vs 12s boot of MBA).

As for the OSes, they all have their strong and weak points and are both becoming increasingly similar; I personally prefer Windows 7, but OS X has a much tighter feel to it and it also has its own appeal. And it is extremely close-minded of you to claim that the OS is inferior without even a shred of proof or reasoning.

So bottom line, the MBA is considerably better than the lower-priced Lenovo, and slightly worse than the higher priced one - as it is to be expected.
I still don't know why the Mac, having access to Bluetooth, a higher res screen, a better trackpad, the same Intel ULV and HD graphics, and the same amount of memory is deemed to have inferior hardware... You should perhaps double-check the MBA's specs before making outlandish comments.
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Intel's HD 3000 does not have the capabilities of 1024x768 at a reasonable framerate on anything but low settings. Best performance, on starcraft, would be 800x600, all settings low, running around 80 fps. No, 1440x900 with 3D is not going to happen on anything above graphics from 2001 (if intel even provides support for previous game engines).

Intel HD3000 is an overall poor choice for gaming (although it is a big step from the last gen integrated chips). However, it can handle Hl2 and L4D2 at 1440x900 and medium settings. It also fares okay at Civ5 (native res again) at around 20fps at low - which is playable for a turned-base strategy game. So you're definitely underestimating its power. It can't play everything new, but games before 2007 are completely playable at native resolution/medium settings.

Ivy Bridge integrated chips will have 30% more performance, and so they would allow for a decent entry gaming experience. Plus, the gaming doesn't have to be done at the hypothetical native res, I think 900p should be fine for most games.
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