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Note even Close..
seeing how 2p 6276(higher clocked than yours at 2.3Ghz) can only manage to score 14 points one CineBench 11.5(highly threaded app)
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j437/nicalandia/42233.png
seeing how an OC SandyB -E is also doing 14 points. I Highly dought your NOT overclockable CPUs can keep up with EVGA SR-2 oc chips.
CineBench as well as F@H likes High OC chips instead of multi socket CPUs, due to the fact that there is NO cpu Latencies in a single socket CPU than a multi socket system.
you wanna know how a 16 core interlagos CPU performs on F@H? see what TPF numbers a FX-8150 OC at 4Ghz can do and that will be your 16 core interlagos numbers also. wanna know what is the TPF of a 32 core interlagos system? take that number and multiply it by 2.
so the Idea of making 16 core now a must for BigAdv is ludicrous to me. seen how a single 6c/12T intel CPU at stock is able to out perform it by a large%.
16c AMD at 2.2 = 8c AMD at 4+ GHZ
8c AMD at 4+GHZ< 4c/12T Intel CPU clock for clock.
6c/12T Intel is 50%> 4c/12T Intel CPU clock for clock
is 6c/12T Intel CPU 50%> 16 core AMD CPU? Hell yeah, I say its more than 50%

Hey there... KNOCK KNOCK MCFLY!!! They are going to reduce the deadlines so your 6c/12t 1366/2011 with a nice OC will proabably barely be making the deadlines....

Ya let me tell you about how much latency there is in multi socket system and oh how badly it affects my PPD... kookoo.gif
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.. that's why you need 4 of them. wink.gif

He is talking about starting with 2 for -bigadv(16 core requirement) and later buying more. Thats why I said 2 might not be enough but we dont know yet.

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A 4P Super Micro board for 800 and two of those 6128 for 150 bucks a pop sounds like a nice way to start while you save up some money,too bad they only ship to USA and currently the only 4P SM that would be shipping to me cost 950 with shipping.

That looks mighty fine, what cooling are you gonna use?


We can always buy stuff here and ship it to you. Laundromatic FTW!
I wonder if EK or someone else makes plates for opterons. I would love to wc those with my triple rad setup. Im really jelly of this setup. I think is about time OCN steps up to the plate with systems like that one. Way to go hoth17 thumb.gif
Edited by Desert Rat - 12/16/11 at 1:52pm
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Hey there... KNOCK KNOCK MCFLY!!! They are going to reduce the deadlines so your 6c/12t 1366/2011 with a nice OC will proabably barely be making the deadlines....
Ya let me tell you about how much latency there is in multi socket system and oh how badly it affects my PPD... kookoo.gif

if a OC 6 core SandyB-E is barely be making the deadline, then also the 32 core interlagos will barely going to make it. seen how their performance is about the same. 4.5 GHZ SB-E is doing 15 points on cinebench. 32 core interlagos is doing 14. that leaves the 16 core Interlagos out. even if it has the need it 16 core. yeah don't expect a 32 core IL to perform as well as EVGA SR-2s.

I don't care if you believe there is no latencies between core 0 and core 31 in a multi socket system.. where there is almost none on core 0 and core 5 on a single socket cpu. so year a 4.5 Ghz 6 core is better than a 12 cores at 2.2ghz(2p system)
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your math teacher taught you well.. but i guess you know nothing about core architecture, new algorithm implementations and new computational calculations that come on new chips from year to year... We KNOW you can not OC much on the supermicro boards compared to SR2. Its been that way forever. Do you have anything new to provide?

Its not just about taking a 4 core chip and saying it does this at 4.5 which will be equal to a 8 core chip at 2.2.

Oh ya we dont really care about cinebench here... we care about pure folding statistics.
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Note even Close..
seeing how 2p 6276(higher clocked than yours at 2.3Ghz) can only manage to score 14 points one CineBench 11.5(highly threaded app)
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j437/nicalandia/42233.png
seeing how an OC SandyB -E is also doing 14 points. I Highly dought your NOT overclockable CPUs can keep up with EVGA SR-2 oc chips.
CineBench as well as F@H likes High OC chips instead of multi socket CPUs, due to the fact that there is NO cpu Latencies in a single socket CPU than a multi socket system.
you wanna know how a 16 core interlagos CPU performs on F@H? see what TPF numbers a FX-8150 OC at 4Ghz can do and that will be your 16 core interlagos numbers also. wanna know what is the TPF of a 32 core interlagos system? take that number and multiply it by 2.
so the Idea of making 16 core now a must for BigAdv is ludicrous to me. seen how a single 6c/12T intel CPU at stock is able to out perform it by a large%.
16c AMD at 2.2 = 8c AMD at 4+ GHZ
8c AMD at 4+GHZ< 4c/12T Intel CPU clock for clock.
6c/12T Intel is 50%> 4c/12T Intel CPU clock for clock
is 6c/12T Intel CPU 50%> 16 core AMD CPU? Hell yeah, I say its more than 50%

Take a deep breath man.....

The chart you linked to shows the Interlagos keeping up with the xeons in cinebench for about 1/3 the cost. That is the point of Opterons, there cheap. (relatively ;-)

Also the comparison to the FX desktop chips is off a bit as the IL is a later revision and different in a number of ways not least of which is quad channel memory.

It is the same in a lot of ways too unfortunately, but still good for what it is.

I think it's just a matter of time before someone unlocks the Interlagos turbo multipliers and we can really push them to the limit. Too bad EVGA is all about Intel, an SR-X G34 Edition would be sweet, maybe Asus is listening....
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We can always buy stuff here and ship it to you. Laundromatic FTW!
I wonder if EK or someone else makes plates for opterons. I would love to wc those with my triple rad setup. Im really jelly of this setup. I think is about time OCN steps up to the plate with systems like that one. Way to go hoth17 thumb.gif

I might take you up on that. wink.gif I'm more seriously considering doing this, but I'm still thorned as to which CPUs to actually start with, but they gotta be WC at some point.
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if a OC 6 core SandyB-E is barely be making the deadline, then also the 32 core interlagos will barely going to make it. seen how their performance is about the same. 4.5 GHZ SB-E is doing 15 points on cinebench. 32 core interlagos is doing 14. that leaves the 16 core Interlagos out. even if it has the need it 16 core. yeah don't expect a 32 core IL to perform as well as EVGA SR-2s.
I don't care if you believe there is no latencies between core 0 and core 31 in a multi socket system.. where there is almost none on core 0 and core 5 on a single socket cpu. so year a 4.5 Ghz 6 core is better than a 12 cores at 2.2ghz(2p system)

How does Cine and Folding actually compare? I'm asking since I don't know or haven't seen any direct comparisons. Do a processor that get 15% better results in Cine also do 15% better TPF in FAH? And does is scale like FAH, from a dual core to a 4P 48+ core?
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FWIW, the guy selling the 6128's on ebay has over 1200 of them, and told me he would ship to Canada... so probably elsewhere as well.
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We KNOW you can not OC much on the supermicro boards compared to SR2. Its been that way forever. Do you have anything new to provide?
all I'm saying is don't expect 32 core 2p AMD systems to perform as a pair of OC 6 core xeons on a EVGA SR-2.
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Its not just about taking a 4 core chip and saying it does this at 4.5 which will be equal to a 8 core chip at 2.2.
if the arch is the same and is a good threaded app, I don't see why not! quad channel did not seem to help 32 core 2.3 ghz AMD chip put twice as much points as an 8 core OC FX 8150..
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yOh ya we dont really care about cinebench here... we care about pure folding statistics.
have you ever seen a chip that performs badly on cinebench to out perform a better performer on F@H? FX-8150 performs as good as a 2500k on cinebench but not as good as a 2600k, guess what? its the same game on F@H, FX is performing as a 2500k but trailing the 2600k...
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399

My thoughts exactly
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Here are some numbers from other sources.

4 6172 give me 21.22 TPF on a 6904 @ 620 Watts.

4 6274 give me 20:56 TPF on a 6904@ 675 Watts.

A non-overclocked 6176 rig is pulling 19m per frame on a 6904

From hoth here at OCN:

Mobo: SR-2
CPUs: e5645s
CPU overclock: 3.8
Ram speeds: 1600 9-9-9-24
Watts: 450

WU: 6904
TPF: 34:05
PPD: 218,143.96

I believe Hoth sold his SR-2 setup for around $1300. You can get a 4P SM board for $700 and then you can add in ~$500 for the 6172. So basically what you will be left with is the following:

$2700 for board and processors for 21.22TPF@620 watts or $2600 for 2 SR-2 setups averaging 17m TPF@900 watts. So in the end I believe the SR-2 setup will give you 25% more points for more monthly costs and you have to maintain two systems. The $100 savings on the SR-2 allows you to get that second power supply and the memory costs should be a wash. I don't think either option is a bad one.
    
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