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That seems kinda counter productive to our military, any linkage?


http://www.dailytech.com/US+GOA+40+Percent+of+Defense+Supply+Chain+Damaged+by+Chinese+Parts/article21937.htm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2058849/Chinese-counterfeit-electronic-parts-putting-U-S-military-risk.html

The US military supply chain is m-a-s-s-i-v-e.... I cannot think of any other organization in the world that has more suppliers and contractors. The militarty awards contracts to contractors who then hire subcontractors who then may hire further subcontractors.... Stuff can get slipped in.




Back on topic.... I've been hearing about Loongson for years. Haven't seen any benchmarks though.... just published raw performance numbers.
Edited by DuckieHo - 12/15/11 at 8:35am
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The Auto industry.. much larger, more suppliers.
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The Auto industry.. much larger, more suppliers.

Then the military industrial complex? No sir, you're incorrect.
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Haters gonna hate.
It's not things made in China that lack quality; it's NORTH AMERICAN branded things made in China that lack quality.
Because these American/International "companies" only want one thing: profit.
They can only boost price by so much, so what do they do? Cut cost.
They try to find the cheapest labour possible (in China, Thailand, India, etc.)
However, original legit Chinese companies on the other hand do not use the same "cheap" sources of manufacturing as these "American/International" companies do. Chinese brands that are not for export (only available in China) are manufactured by better companies with more expensive and reliable machines and labour and has much better quality than products we have here.
Conclusion? Americans are cheap.
P.S. I'm Canadian

BS. You actually believe this? Have you ever been to China? If it were not for manufacturing investments from other countries, China would still be making paint with lead and have arsenic levels toxic to humans in a lot of their products... Oh wait, they are still having these issues...
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Yes..

The Automobile & industry Suppliers (American Axle, Leer, Goodyear, etc..) emply millions of people. The supply chains in the Auto industry, are industries themselves.

The Military contracts are worth ALOT of money, but they do not employ moAr people, or have larger supplier chains than the Auto industry. These military contractors are not manufacturers who have 10k employess, making seats for all the F22 Raptors, etc.. because there is very little PRODUCT on a miitary contract.

Military contracts are big and chaulked full of cash, but it is laughable to think that it employs millions of people like the Automobile industry & it's subsequent suppliers.
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The Auto industry.. much larger, more suppliers.
Auto suppliers only have to deal with wheeled vehicles.


Miltiary suppliers are for wheeled vehicles.... plus treaded vehicles, aircraft, spacecraft, seacraft, food, ammo, clothing, medical, power supplies, buildings materials, etc.


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Yes..
The Automobile & industry Suppliers (American Axle, Leer, Goodyear, etc..) emply millions of people. The supply chains in the Auto industry, are industries themselves.
The Military contracts are worth ALOT of money, but they do not employ moAr people, or have larger supplier chains than the Auto industry. These military contractors are not manufacturers who have 10k employess, making seats for all the F22 Raptors, etc.. because there is very little PRODUCT on a miitary contract.
Military contracts are big and chaulked full of cash, but it is laughable to think that it employs millions of people like the Automobile industry & it's subsequent suppliers.
You are talking about how many employees.

Supply chains is about how many companies, how many locations, and how many parts.

Supply chain complexities is having to deal with so many companies and so many parts. i.e. Ford has deal with dozens companies for the software. The military has to deal with thousands of companies for software.
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That seems kinda counter productive to our military, any linkage?


If you thinks that's strange, I've seen PVC pipping in latrines on US FOBs with "made in Iran".
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http://www.dailytech.com/US+GOA+40+Percent+of+Defense+Supply+Chain+Damaged+by+Chinese+Parts/article21937.htm
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2058849/Chinese-counterfeit-electronic-parts-putting-U-S-military-risk.html

The US military supply chain is m-a-s-s-i-v-e.... I cannot think of any other organization in the world that has more suppliers and contractors. The militarty awards contracts to contractors who then hire subcontractors who then may hire further subcontractors.... Stuff can get slipped in.

It's not always a matter of things being slipped in, like people are trying to be sneaky all the time. Sometimes cheaper parts are used to reduce costs where they don't think reliability matters. Then there's they fact that we use some vehicles made in foreign countries.
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Funny how the article concludes with Japan's success. It's pretty sad that China is still at where America was pre-1900s in regards to fostering and protecting innovation.
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China doesn't innovate, they rip off and rebrand with lower quality. I'd love to see another competitive cpu brand enter the market, but I highly doubt we'll be seeing one from china.
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You don't "steal" anything by reverse engineering it.

Um... Yes, Reverse engineering is stealing if you plan to take what you learned and use it directly to make a competing product. A completed Patented project is protected by patents so that someone who can figure out how it works, then duplicating the model in an attempt to produce a copy of the original for sale purposes is guilty of intellectual property theft. The entire reason for patents is to protect inventors from having there idea stolen, weather it is because the plans where made public or someone was able to figure out what they did and copy it. But I guess that for some the whole idea of intellectual property is like the idea that music or video games should have to be paid for, "Why pay for it if I can download it for free, or why pay a patent lease when I can buy the processor and analyze it myself, then make a copy. "
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