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Thanks. smile.gif The advantages of the 90 degree trays have been overplayed. For convection cooling - yes it's a good design, but for forced air - not so much. It does help deal with heavy GPU's, but for cooling, the engineers that designed them did it with a horizontal mounting in mind, so turning them doesn't automatically mean you'll get better results.

This.

"Air goes where you push it." - ehume

Also, it depends on how the fans are. If the fans can push a good amount of air, you'll get more air going into the case. The AP181 and AP182 are both rated to push 130CFM at 34dBA (the CFM/dBA ratio is about 3.8 which is great). Generally you want to stay at or below 30dBA because that's when it's considered quiet (this is subjective). Some fans can push more air at 30dBA (quite a few 140mm fans can. The Prolimatech 140mm Vortex, both blue and red, have a ridiculous reported CFM/dBA ratio over 5 but I find that a little hard to believe. The Akasa 140mm Viper and Apache can if they could get up to the speeds needed to produce 30dBA of sound).
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Here is a mount that is designed to sit right above the GPU(s). It was developed originally for video editors who needed to air cool their (hot!) proprietary video cards. They don't water cool, but like our cases because they'll swallow a 16" long board wink.gif Although everyone thinks of us as W/C specialists (which is great! biggrin.gif), the truth is, that I've been making air cooled enclosures for a lot longer (over 25 years), so I'm not a total stranger to it wink.gif

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Thanks. smile.gif The advantages of the 90 degree trays have been overplayed. For convection cooling - yes it's a good design, but for forced air - not so much. It does help deal with heavy GPU's,

I like the design mainly for better support of heavy gpus.

I don't think the design has been over played though. I think more companies need to add a few vertical PCI cases to their line up. I prefer the design.
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Thanks. smile.gif The advantages of the 90 degree trays have been overplayed. For convection cooling - yes it's a good design, but for forced air - not so much. It does help deal with heavy GPU's, but for cooling, the engineers that designed them did it with a horizontal mounting in mind, so turning them doesn't automatically mean you'll get better results.

I actually like the 90 degree's on my FT02 simply because it basically turns all of my usually tough to get to USB and other plugs easier to get to. Instead of just having 2-4 front/front-top plugs I now have... I think the original 2 on the front-top and then another... 8? on my motherboard smile.gif. It also allows for me to push the case all the way back to the wall without having to worry about plug-wall clearance.

The cooling is nice but I like it for other reasons.
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I guess I was referring to the cooling characteristics of the 90 degree trays when I said it overplayed. On paper, it looks good, in practice it doesn't make much difference. For some people, it may have other benefits, such as your situation. I've considered it, but as a designer, it feels too restrictive for a W/C case, but that could just be me tongue.gif It's probably all moot though - other case companies (ourselves included) are not likely to touch it because of potential litigation problems frown.gif and that it hasn't really taken off in the marketplace.
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Yeah I think the cooling aspect is a bit overplayed. At least, I haven't really noticed a /huge/ difference. Only a slight difference but I suspect it's mainly due to the 3.180mm fans pushing a solid wall of air whereas most cases only have 1-2 small 120-140mm fans pushing in air from the front, that don't really do too much in the end.
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What an awesome case. After drooling over your cases for the longest time and admiring all of them, I must say that with Merlin you have truly done something I didn't think possible, you have topped yourself! I have never seen a better use of space in a computer case. This design is the perfect case, IMHO. Great work!
Edited by willdearborn - 8/26/12 at 12:37am
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@ Jim,

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I wonder if ehume is staring at this case, drooling right now...would be great for air cooling.
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I gotta say it was cool to read through the whole process of everyone designing this case. Bomb job to all of you and case labs.
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