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The gaming difference was pretty good. I'd like to see official reviews though, no offense to him.

1 fps in Batman and 4 in serious sam, relax. lol

As for the Saints Row comparison, thats two differenct pictures.. even if its the same location, not comparable.
Someone should run pre-made benchies like Crysis or Stalker COP bench.
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Right, but that's not the justification being used. I've not seen one person say "Bulldozer does great in this, and that is what I mainly use my computer for."
The justification is "it's not that bad" or "it's fast enough for me." That's a problem when there are better price/performance products available (not only from Intel, but from AMD as well!).

Your rebuttal is just as incorrect. Have you ever had a test question where the answer wasn't "Yes" or "No" but rather, "It depends"?
Price/performance is, again, dependent on the applications one uses.

I'm not particularly fond of the over-simplified generalizations that are being thrown around in the news section as of late. (e.g. "BD better at multithreading", "BD slower and therefore, worthless")
BD is something that should be looked at on a case-by-case basis - not broadly generalized.
Generalizations don't cover the bases properly, and so leave lots of room for disagreements and further conflicts.

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Not sure if you're comparing it with a 2500k or a 2600k, but regardless of which: It's going to get destroyed in efficiency by the Intel chips, even in the tests it might squeak by. No matter what you use your PC for there are better options.

I'm talking about every Bulldozer product vs their similarly priced Intel counterparts.
For example, the FX-4100 vs the i3 2100.

The FX-4100 has vastly inferior load power consumption, and is regarded as slower in many games because it is slower in many games.
The FX-4100 is also slower in some common multithreaded tasks such as WinRar and x264 encoding.
It's completely worthless, right? It's safe to say without a shadow of a doubt that the FX-4100 is slower, period?
Well, the i3 2100 lacks AES-NI, so it will be significantly slower than the FX-4100 in things like Truecrypt.

Therefore, the proper thing to say isn't "The i3 2100 is faster than the FX-4100."
A more proper statement would be "The i3 2100 is faster than the FX-4100 in most tasks."

This might seem like a small nitpicky detail.
Perhaps it is.
But I believe that being more specific and accurate about one's statements can help provide less fuel for flame wars.
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Your rebuttal is just as incorrect. Have you ever had a test question where the answer wasn't "Yes" or "No" but rather, "It depends"?
Price/performance is, again, dependent on the applications one uses.
I'm not particularly fond of the over-simplified generalizations that are being thrown around in the news section as of late. (e.g. "BD better at multithreading", "BD slower and therefore, worthless")
BD is something that should be looked at on a case-by-case basis - not broadly generalized.
Generalizations don't cover the bases properly, and so leave lots of room for disagreements and further conflicts.

Sorry, but no,
Even if we look at different cases, theres not a single one where BD offers greater price / performance ratio, it just doesnt.
Taking Newegg as reference:
FX-8150 269$
2500k 219$

Thats a 23% price difference, but will the FX-8150 EVER see a 23% improvement over a 2500k, even in best case scenarios?
From all the reviews I've seen there was not a single case, at most it was 10-15% faster in highly threaded applications that favoured BD.

So I think it's pretty safe to say that at the moment, Intel DOES have the better price / performance, theres no denying.
Edited by toX0rz - 12/15/11 at 5:40pm
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so this patch is only for bulldozer? or can i install it also with another cpu ?

like with a Phenom II X4 955 what woulth it do with that?
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so if i understand correctly thos patch tweak like this:your gaming,your streaming your stuff live, you re recording your stream you have in view window of you self(a la athenewins on youtube)so game would use say 1,3,5,7 the rest like sound and all other would use 2 4 6 8 .i love it but fma4 still is needed for this to work last i checked not many even knew what fma 4 was.and doing priority like this? how do we get this in game ?or does ms do it for gamer and force game .if it is so i sure would like to see this in action .like a li e gamer recording etc
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So I think it's pretty safe to say that at the moment, Intel DOES have the better price / performance, theres no denying.

I can actually deny that.
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so did anyone try it on a non bulldozer =P ?
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Sorry, but no,
Even if we look at different cases, theres not a single one where BD offers greater price / performance ratio, it just doesnt.
Taking Newegg as reference:
FX-8150 269$
2500k 219$
Thats a 23% price difference, but will the FX-8150 EVER see a 23% improvement over a 2500k, even in best case scenarios?
From all the reviews I've seen there was not a single case, at most it was 10-15% faster in highly threaded applications that favoured BD.
So I think it's pretty safe to say that at the moment, Intel DOES have the better price / performance, theres no denying.

You want to compare 8120 not 8150. They both do the same thing for different prices. I'd say that it is performing better in some areas more than others and that its not a huge gain overall, but a gain none the less. 8120 = 209.99 --- 2500K = 219.99. Even though the 2500K is still the better deal, the Bulldozer is in a better postition than it was. Also, BD was a decent chip before the patch so its just that much better if you have the fx chip.
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Well I have uploaded the patch and have some improvements. I did not gain an increase in cinebench cpu or single cpu performance. I did however see an increase in gaming. BF3 increased 15-20fps with my CF and eyefinity. MW3 increased even more by 35-40fps. Very noticeable. It definitely shines in some areas but not in others. I did not see a gain in 3d vatage but I did see about a 5% increase in unigine. There is definitely some more quickness to the desktop too. I am happy with the patch. It is defintely an increase overall. I was happy with my 8120 before so this is just a bonus.
I have uploaded my results on BD owners forum if you would like to see.
I think what the patch does is instruct the module to allow that cores to not use the same instruction sets at the same time. One core in a module will you some of the modules resources while the other core in the same module will use the modules other resources. Basically the two cores within each module are working together to stay out of each others way. Cinebench recognizes 8 core as 4 core 8 thread now. Others still see it as 8 core. It defiintely improves the overall performance some. Not a lot but defintely enough to consider downloading it. Its mainly better for application and programs that are not multithreaded. While running MW3 it utilized 1 core in each module mostly. There was a change in BF3 scheduling as well too. All cores where being utilized but in a different way like described above. Check out other forum to see for yourself.

I'm not buying a gain of "20FPS" in BF3 at all. Not for a second. (especially not now that I've noticed you have Xfire 6790s running 3 x 1080p(or 19 x 12)) You're going to have to man up and provide some proof. BF3 is already an extremely GPU bottlenecked game. Also, "more quickness on the desktop" is nonsense. You couldn't tell the difference between a Pentium 4 and a 5ghz SB on the desktop.
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I'm talking about every Bulldozer product vs their similarly priced Intel counterparts.
For example, the FX-4100 vs the i3 2100.
The FX-4100 has vastly inferior load power consumption, and is regarded as slower in many games because it is slower in many games.
The FX-4100 is also slower in some common multithreaded tasks such as WinRar and x264 encoding.
It's completely worthless, right? It's safe to say without a shadow of a doubt that the FX-4100 is slower, period?
Well, the i3 2100 lacks AES-NI, so it will be significantly slower than the FX-4100 in things like Truecrypt.
Therefore, the proper thing to say isn't "The i3 2100 is faster than the FX-4100."
A more proper statement would be "The i3 2100 is faster than the FX-4100 in most tasks."
This might seem like a small nitpicky detail.
Perhaps it is.
But I believe that being more specific and accurate about one's statements can help provide less fuel for flame wars.

Point taken. Although you're going to have to admit that's an extremely niche use, eh.
Edited by pursuinginsanity - 12/15/11 at 5:55pm
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I'm not buying a gain of "20FPS" in BF3 at all. Not for a second. (especially not now that I've noticed you have Xfire 6790s running 3 x 1080p(or 19 x 12)) You're going to have to man up and provide some proof. Also, "more quickness on the desktop" is nonsense. You couldn't tell the difference between a Pentium 4 and a 5ghz SB on the desktop.
Point taken. Although you're going to have to admit that's an extremely niche use, eh.

Explain to me how to take a screen shot of BF3 and I can provide you the proof. I would like to know myself.
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