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So I got this Lenovo ThinkCentre M91p i7-2600 (non-K) for a work machine. Yes, I know, my choice would have been to build my own from scratch for significantly less, but the business side making the decisions wants the single-destination support and all that.

Supposedly it's their top of the line tower for the lineup, before you get into the ThinkStations. But man is it sparse. Micro ATX mobo with no heatsinks or any attempt at chipset cooling, 280wt PSU, HD5450, no intake fan, one 92mm exhaust fan and what looks like an 80mm PSU fan, probably the cheapest CPU HSF I have ever witnessed - worse than the stock Intel cooler that ships with the i7.

I ran FAH SMP on it and it shot up to 76C within like 30 seconds. I'm afraid to find out how hot it will get. I'm grateful to upgrade from a C2D E4500 Dell Optiplex, but this machine doesn't seem incredibly snappy like my 2600k at home.

Anyway, I just can't believe what they can get away with for over $1200.
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yep you caught them.sad to say almost all premade go at it with default setting certified by all party involved .yes this often mean last year everything.proof?can you get a 2700?no?there you have your proof .itis like window update for gpu and other stuff they are rarely latest .gpu is prob at 11.1 but if you update via a certified driver it prob is only 9 or such amd.sad ?yes but corp want garanty and all that bull.it is like paying lenovo for that extra 2 year warrantied by lenovo themselves not third party.it sound fine but in the end it cost less to just upgrade old system And sell old part via e-bay or such.rule of tumb?upgrade every 2 intel release.(36 month)and always buy the update.intel go like this:they release epic then 18 month later they polish to a very shiny finish said techno.i dont know if the 2700 is the polished release but ask around .(i think it is tho cause intel is going 28 nm soon
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So I got this Lenovo ThinkCentre M91p i7-2600 (non-K) for a work machine. Yes, I know, my choice would have been to build my own from scratch for significantly less, but the business side making the decisions wants the single-destination support and all that.
Supposedly it's their top of the line tower for the lineup, before you get into the ThinkStations. But man is it sparse. Micro ATX mobo with no heatsinks or any attempt at chipset cooling, 280wt PSU, HD5450, no intake fan, one 92mm exhaust fan and what looks like an 80mm PSU fan, probably the cheapest CPU HSF I have ever witnessed - worse than the stock Intel cooler that ships with the i7.
I ran FAH SMP on it and it shot up to 76C within like 30 seconds. I'm afraid to find out how hot it will get. I'm grateful to upgrade from a C2D E4500 Dell Optiplex, but this machine doesn't seem incredibly snappy like my 2600k at home.
Anyway, I just can't believe what they can get away with for over $1200.


You're missing the point. The extra cost goes into certification and support.

Business save money by paying extra for this. If you pay an employee $100K a year but they cannot work for a day due to RMA or compatibility, that is over $400 in productivity costs.


Go check server prices..... they cost like 1.5-3 times as much as custom build.
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I brought a 92mm molex fan from home and installed it as an intake fan on the front mesh panel with zipties. It's a perfect fit and can be removed for service if necessary. I don't know why they don't include one from the factory. Running FAH SMP-6 @ 70C about 14500ppd.
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You're missing the point. The extra cost goes into certification and support.
Business save money by paying extra for this. If you pay an employee $100K a year but they cannot work for a day due to RMA or compatibility, that is over $400 in productivity costs.
Go check server prices..... they cost like 1.5-3 times as much as custom build.

Thank you for your input, but I'm not missing anything. I'm annoyed that they choose to maximize profits rather than build a robust product. I feel that Dell does a slightly better job at the same price point, but I had to go Lenovo this time 'round.

I demo and price desktops, laptops and servers as part of my duties. It just irks me this particular time because it's for me, not 1000 nameless users I'll never meet. smile.gif
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Thank you for your input, but I'm not missing anything. I'm annoyed that they choose to maximize profits rather than build a robust product. I feel that Dell does a slightly better job at the same price point, but I had to go Lenovo this time 'round.
I demo and price desktops, laptops and servers as part of my duties. It just irks me this particular time because it's for me, not 1000 nameless users I'll never meet. smile.gif

The real test is.... will there any higher rate of issues with 100+ units after 2-3 years? If no, then everything is ok and Lenovo trimmings were appropriate. thumb.gif

I know Dell provides service manuals and design papers for their workstations. Lenovo probably does the same. You can check them out first next time.
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The real test is.... will there any higher rate of issues with 100+ units after 2-3 years? If no, then everything is ok and Lenovo trimmings were appropriate. thumb.gif
I know Dell provides service manuals and design papers for their workstations. Lenovo probably does the same. You can check them out first next time.

Lenovo does; as a Self Maintainer I have access to all of it. But it wouldn't have changed anything, I had to pick from spec'd Lenovo ThinkCentres. The only addition was doubling the RAM to 8gb.
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for averave small business if you know how to read your best bet is to build the server or wtver your self .you ll get more bang for your buck and everything is avail online now a day for mega corp tho that are say apple size they HAVE to use the specialty stuff even tho they end up witj last year server cause technical support alone would eat their procit because of the complexity.if it didnt cost 5k you should have built it yourself
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