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I don't see the problem. If you don't down or up CDPR product torrents you have nothing to fear. If you do, you're fair game to be haunted for eternity by every force in the world untill death becomes your only friend. Go CDPR!

Problem is I can insert any ip into a swarm that I want. Or go to a local open hotspot. As everyone else said, an Ip is far from identifying. This is more like firing a shotgun into a crowd and hoping you only hit pirates.
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This isn't about pirates being right or wrong, please understand the issue at hand.

You don't take the law into your own hands and send threatening letters to people demanding money for something you can't prove. You take them to court and allow the law to be executed fairly, as it was designed to be executed. They expect people to be scared and fork over an exorbitant amount of money to make it go away. They don't care if they actually pirated it or not. Smash and grab, gimme the money.

Sorry, if you can't take it to court you need to lobby for law reform, not get some legal bully to recoup your lost profits.

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The numbers of false positives make what is already a particularly ghastly method of gaining money utterly reprehensible. And it seems it’s happening here, TorrentFreak reports, with people who have never heard of the game receiving these frightening threats.
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Again, the legality of the act of unauthorised duplication is not in question. (Never mind the increasingly abundant evidence piling up that demonstrates piracy encourages sales, that is not relevant here.) This is about the response to piracy that has taken place, however wrong it may be to have done it in the first place. And that response is apparently to send out thousands of threatening letters, demanding a significant sum to prevent your having to go to court and face their claims of much more serious charges

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Playing with fire gets you burnt, simple as that.
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An IP address should be enough for a detailed search of their networks history and/or hard drives.

Some one could steal the license plates off of my car and use them on a get away car for a bank robbery. I would not be screaming injustice if the police came knocking on my door. If you are truly innocent then you will be cleared easily. If your router shows that the PC doing the downloading was on your wired network in your house...then the IP address was a good form of identification for the police to find you.
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i think they need 2 prove it first an ip address isn't really proof you know ..... before they send the letter!!! or it is harrasment
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An IP address should be enough for a detailed search of their networks history and/or hard drives.
Some one could steal the license plates off of my car and use them on a get away car for a bank robbery. I would not be screaming injustice if the police came knocking on my door. If you are truly innocent then you will be cleared easily. If your router shows that the PC doing the downloading was on your wired network in your house...then the IP address was a good form of identification for the police to find you.

Why not just send a letter to everyone in the world and see who pays up? After all if you are innocent, you'll be cleared, right?

How about instead of a knock on the door where you can explain yourself you got a letter that said you robbed a bank, so you can send us $50,000 or we will see you in court?

Oh, and it costs money just to go to court and defend yourself. That is the strategy here, leverage fear and monetary loss for money up front.
    
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if they came knoking on your door they need a warrant to search your house ..... we're talking albout hundreds of poeple here wich judge will give that much search warrants?
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I didn't expect this...not after their statement on that DRM is a bad thing to use...well, maybe it is if they can get the pirates to pay this much. Piracy would be very profitable for them then
I will say it again...piracy should have a penalty similar to shop lifting. They are different crimes, but the level is about the same. Some one got an experience for free that others had to pay for. I know a couple guys that tried to sneak into an amusement park. What they did was very similar to pirating a piece of software since they were after a free entertainment experience that really wasn't limited to a number of people, but they were charged with breaking and entering. they took a deal to get it reduced to Trespassing or something along those lines though. But Breaking and Entering? A felony? For skipping out on a $30 entry fee? At the same time I know people that shoplifted and got like 30 hours of community service.
If some one pirates something and is caught, they should not be able to get a fine, penalty, or lawsuit against them that would supersede the penalty for shoplifting in the area it happened in. Here in my state of Minnesota it should be:
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Any cases involving property or services valued at less than $500 is a misdemeanor and punishable by up to 90 days in jail and fines of up to $1,000.
Though that is the max penalty...a $50 game shouldn't be anywhere near the max.
Here's the thing. The difference between shoplifting and sneaking into an amusement park is you can easily get caught by cameras and/or security. That's why not many people do it.

Pirating games on the other hand is much easier. It's easy to do and you there's really little to no consequences since most publishers/devs don't bother going after pirates. That, and some countries allow it or let it slide, thus making it futile going after pirates.
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Why not just send a letter to everyone in the world and see who pays up? After all if you are innocent, you'll be cleared, right?
How about instead of a knock on the door where you can explain yourself you got a letter that said you robbed a bank, so you can send us $50,000 or we will see you in court?
Oh, and it costs money just to go to court and defend yourself. That is the strategy here, leverage fear and monetary loss for money up front.
If you're innocent then go ahead and go to court and prove it. You can get them to pay the legal fees and for the inconvenience.

Again, if you're innocent then you have nothing to fear.

Some people here make it sound as if most people that pirate know how to spoof/hide their IPs. We're talking about the same people that don't know how to PW their wifis and other computer related things.
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i think they need 2 prove it first an ip address isn't really proof you know ..... before they send the letter!!! or it is harrasment

The IP address is the first step. like the mention of the license plates. I would be suspect number one until I proved my self innocent. You get a letter saying that your IP address downloaded it...well, you are responsible for your IP address. The ball will then be in your court to prove you didn't do it.

and let's be honest...I would think that the majority of people that know how to use torrents will know how to secure their wireless Internet. There will be some people who don't, but not many. Hopefully they would learn quickly how to use the logging in their router to clear their name though

Plus this is just a bill...not even a lawsuit. Though we will see where it goes when people don't pay.
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