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Seems like people forgot about them doing the exact same thing last time, except they're charging more this time?

They obviously think its more profitable to spend money on lawyers to catch people that they have allowed to easily pirate their game than it is to spend money on a secure system.
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If you're innocent then go ahead and go to court and prove it. You can get them to pay the legal fees and for the inconvenience.
Again, if you're innocent then you have nothing to fear.

You don't just walk into court and say "I'm innocent!"

The average person has NO IDEA how law works, and there is no guarantee you are walking out innocent even if you are innocent. It can takes months, thousands of dollars and hundreds of hours of your personal time just to get some silly thing taken care of. No one wants to roll the dice on their future and potential thousands of dollars in fines or charges, so they are tempted to pay up and make it go away. Pay up for something THEY AREN'T EVEN CHARGED WITH.

That is why this type of practice is viewed as a shakedown by judges, and is a garbage thing to do without taking care to make sure you are targeting the right people.

You want to stop piracy, fine. Do it right please.
    
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i think they need 2 prove it first an ip address isn't really proof you know ..... before they send the letter!!! or it is harrasment

The IP address is the first step. like the mention of the license plates. I would be suspect number one until I proved my self innocent. You get a letter saying that your IP address downloaded it...well, you are responsible for your IP address. The ball will then be in your court to prove you didn't do it.

and let's be honest...I would think that the majority of people that know how to use torrents will know how to secure their wireless Internet. There will be some people who don't, but not many. Hopefully they would learn quickly how to use the logging in their router to clear their name though

Plus this is just a bill...not even a lawsuit. Though we will see where it goes when people don't pay.

And why the hell would you have to prove yourself innocent? Last I heard it's "innocent until proven guilty" and not "guilty until proven innocent".
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The burden of proof lies with the person bringing charges.

They have to prove you did it, you don't have to prove you didn't.

We have the benefit of assumption - the assumption that we are innocent until such evidence can be shown proving otherwise.
    
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And why the hell would you have to prove yourself innocent? Last I heard it's "innocent until proven guilty" and not "guilty until proven innocent".

In the USA. In other countries, it may be guilty until proven innocent.
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Poland vs Germans... somehow I think this isn't gonna turn out as well as Poland hopes...


Also didn't sweden go neutral and claim piracy is ok for personal use? This is world war 2 of video games. PS3 attack Xbox next? Ive got to warn the internetz!!!!!!!!!!
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In the USA. In other countries, it may be guilty until proven innocent.

Don't you know by now that "USA" is just a synonym to "World" and "Planet Earth"?
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If they didn't even have the money to buy the game, what makes them think they will have the money to pay 10 times the amount?
    
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post #29 of 142
I thought this was going to be about that Chinese iOS hacking team CD Team. Nope.
Kinda stupid all in all. I don't know why people torrent (illegal material) anymore.
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Whether piracy is theft or not, it's a criminal act and THAT discussion is a DEAD HORSE, take that elsewhere!!
CDPR offers DRM free products, not to hand it out to pirates for free, but to let their legit customers enjoy their products in any ways they see fit (unlimited installs, not bound to machine IDs, no rootkits you get the gist).

Not everywhere. You're a dead horse! tongue.gif
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In the USA. In other countries, it may be guilty until proven innocent.

This is a very valid point, the issue is in Germany and I have no idea how German law works.

However, sending the letters without caring to take a moment to validate them beyond IP address is crap. Judges have condemned the practice, and it skirts the courts in an attempt to remove fair play and strong arm people into paying money. Even if they did pirate the game, this is a bad practice.
    
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