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Personally I think they should just bill the pirates double the price of the game. Only people who wouldn't see that as fair are pirates themselves or people who have personal issues with reprimanding. I bought Witcher 2 off Amazon so I have nothing to worry about.

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You are guilty until proven innocent...when it comes to be charged with something. A hermit living in a hole in the ground his entire life could get charged with grand theft. it would get reviewed for court and the judge would look at the evidence and see there was none...and though the case out, BUT, the hermit would still be charged with a crime until evidence (or lack there of) can show he was innocent. So that whole innocent until proven guilty thing is just something to make people charged with crimes feel better.
Heck, it would be possible for the said hermit to have to spend the time waiting for his case to be reviewed in jail...some times the penalty begins before the guilty verdict.

Kind of right and good points.

But, the hermit can't even be arrested in the first place without proper evidence. If someone just said "He stole my car", but the cops had no video, no witness, they aren't arresting the guy for grand theft. And that is what is happening here. They are basically saying "You, you stole this game" without the proper proof.

If you could be arrested just based on accusation, almost everyone would get arrested in their lifetime.
    
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You are guilty until proven innocent...when it comes to be charged with something. A hermit living in a hole in the ground his entire life could get charged with grand theft. it would get reviewed for court and the judge would look at the evidence and see there was none...and though the case out, BUT, the hermit would still be charged with a crime until evidence (or lack there of) can show he was innocent. So that whole innocent until proven guilty thing is just something to make people charged with crimes feel better.
Heck, it would be possible for the said hermit to have to spend the time waiting for his case to be reviewed in jail...some times the penalty begins before the guilty verdict.

No. If I am guilty simply because I am charged with something...why bother going to court? I'm already guilty, it's been decided! rolleyes.gif Going to court to prove that I'm innocent would be an appeal then.

You are also forgetting that evidence is reviewed prior to charging someone with a crime. You don't throw someone in jail, and then go look for evidence to charge him/her.

In the end, you are innocent or not guilty until a verdict says otherwise. I can't just walk down the street, yell "MURDER!" and the cops would throw that person in jail and then go look for evidence. That's not how the justice system works in any Western country.
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900eu isn't very ridiculous. Its not like they're asking for $10k-$100k like most media companies do. In fact, you could prbably expect to pay that much in fines if you got caught shoplifting
    
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I don't see the problem. If you don't down or up CDPR product torrents you have nothing to fear. If you do, you're fair game to be haunted for eternity by every force in the world untill death becomes your only friend. Go CDPR!

Except that many of the people who are named in the letters won't be responsible for the file sharing. The RIAA proved that they do get it wrong at least some of the time. Then add all the people who had a visting nephew downloading content, had unsecured wifi that a neighbor used, or rented a room to someone who downloaded content.

They make the cost of settling just slightly less than the cost of defending yourself in court. That way it doesn't matter if the person who receives the threatening letter is innocent or guilty, they will be coerced into paying up or else face even greater legal fees and time being wasted defending themselves.

The whole thing stinks of extortion and the practice should be made illegal. I thought long and hard about not supporting GOG anymore. In the end I like their no DRM model so much that I have decided to still buy their games despite this dirty and underhanded practice. What I won't do is tell anyone about the service anymore. I won't be an evangelist for a company who does that sort of thing. To be honest I felt kind of betrayed by them, especially after talking so highly about them and buying over 30 games just so far.
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Personally I think they should just bill the pirates double the price of the game. Only people who wouldn't see that as fair are pirates themselves or people who have personal issues with reprimanding. I bought Witcher 2 off Amazon so I have nothing to worry about.

I think you have the right idea. Except what would happen is this. They collect the IP addresses of everyone they can find in a swarm. They then send these people settlement letters.

BUT, the settlement would be this: "Dear Sir or Madam, we have recently found evidence to suggest you've downloaded our game without paying for it. We would like to offer you one chance to buy the game at regular retail price. If you decide not to purchase the game we may pursue any legal remedy available to us under current copyright law. If you do purchase the game then you may download it form our servers at GOG.com. Thanks for your cooperation"

That would be fair and probably lead to a few hundred thousand more sales for whichever title they attempted it for, maybe more depending on what percentage of people ponied up.
Edited by Mygaffer - 12/15/11 at 12:28pm
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Why not just send a letter to everyone in the world and see who pays up? After all if you are innocent, you'll be cleared, right?
How about instead of a knock on the door where you can explain yourself you got a letter that said you robbed a bank, so you can send us $50,000 or we will see you in court?
Oh, and it costs money just to go to court and defend yourself. That is the strategy here, leverage fear and monetary loss for money up front.
If you're innocent then go ahead and go to court and prove it. You can get them to pay the legal fees and for the inconvenience.

Again, if you're innocent then you have nothing to fear.

You've obviously never been to court. You'll miss a lot of work and incur a good amount of legal fees, regardless of innocence.
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You've obviously never been to court. You'll miss a lot of work and incur a good amount of legal fees, regardless of innocence.

This is very true. Usually the only people that win are the Lawyers and Solicitors, for everyone else, it just sucks.
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They then send these people settlement letters.
BUT, the settlement would be this: "Dear Sir or Madam, we have recently found evidence to suggest you've downloaded our game without paying for it. We would like to offer you one chance to buy the game at regular retail price. If you decide not to purchase the game we may pursue any legal remedy available to us under current copyright law. If you do purchase the game then you may download it form our servers at GOG.com. Thanks for your cooperation"
That would be fair and probably lead to a few hundred thousand more sales for whichever title they attempted it for, maybe more depending on what percentage of people ponied up.

IMO something like this would be pretty fair. However, there should be some sort of penelty on top of having to buy a licence to use the product that they infringed the copyright on. Maybe have them pay double the retail price. That way they are discouraging the infringement of their work. If they don't pay that then take them to court.

These type of extortion letters are horrible. They know that it'll cost the person more to fight the charge in court, and it's very little legal work on their part for the amount of money they get from them. These types of letters need to be outlawed.
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Why are people angry here? You honestly think they're going to go after people without some substantial reason? As long as their strategies don't hurt paying customers why are you all getting so butthurt about it?
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No. If I am guilty simply because I am charged with something...why bother going to court? I'm already guilty, it's been decided! rolleyes.gif Going to court to prove that I'm innocent would be an appeal then.
You are also forgetting that evidence is reviewed prior to charging someone with a crime. You don't throw someone in jail, and then go look for evidence to charge him/her.
In the end, you are innocent or not guilty until a verdict says otherwise. I can't just walk down the street, yell "MURDER!" and the cops would throw that person in jail and then go look for evidence. That's not how the justice system works in any Western country.

Well, it happens both ways. The cops walk in on you standing over a dead body they are going to have their guns on you and cuffed in no time and you will likely be spending some time in a jail cell until they figure out what was going on and that you just happened to walk in. Only piece of evidence against you was you were there and you would be treated guilty until proven innocent.

In a case where there is an investigation starting from no number one suspect...yeah, most of the time there has to be prior approval to arrest. And even if you aren't arrested you could still be having cops watch your every move, bank accounts monitored, badgered by questions...still being treated guilty even when it is believed you are innocent.

Though again...this is no legal action. They just sent a bill out. We will see what happens if they don't pay up. Does Germany have collection agencies? I would assume that every where would. This could get interesting.
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