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Legit customers are taken care of.
Pirates get whats (rightfully) coming to them.

Suddenly, I don't see anything bad with this. It's theft, pure and simple.
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im all for this, the last thing we want is for drm free products to leave the market. im also starting to reconsider what games i purchase because of this issue.

i know the copy of oblivion i have has been loaded and played through on at least three of my computers, same applys to hellgate london. the simple no hassle install is always welcome in my home.

edit: also considering the economy do we really want to see cost inflation in our gaming... the rigs we own werent cheap to begin with.
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Why are people angry here? You honestly think they're going to go after people without some substantial reason? As long as their strategies don't hurt paying customers why are you all getting so butthurt about it?
Me thinks people have something to hide here.

I don't see why anyone can be angry either. If you know you bought the game and have not used any torrent programs to DL a game then what's to worry about? You're defending people that probably pirate all their games. Seriously. You can look up all the top pirate sites and see thousands upon thousands of downloads for every new game. These people don't plan on buying games period; let them face the consequences.

Also let's think about this for a minute here. CDPR isn't dumb. Neither are their lawyers. You guys think they would do this without knowing whether it's going to work or not? You don't think they went over how to handle innocent people that received their letter?

Come on now. There's a lot of things going on about this that we don't know. Speculating and being angry about this is just silly. It just turns into a moral argument which gets us nowhere. Instead let's be happy that pirates will get what they deserve and hopefully they learn their lesson. And for anyone innocent that receives these letters, then CDPR will know what to do.
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Me thinks people have something to hide here.
I don't see why anyone can be angry either. If you know you bought the game and have not used any torrent programs to DL a game then what's to worry about? You're defending people that probably pirate all their games. Seriously. You can look up all the top pirate sites and see thousands upon thousands of downloads for every new game. These people don't plan on buying games period; let them face the consequences.
Also let's think about this for a minute here. CDPR isn't dumb. Neither are their lawyers. You guys think they would do this without knowing whether it's going to work or not? You don't think they went over how to handle innocent people that received their letter?
Come on now. There's a lot of things going on about this that we don't know. Speculating and being angry about this is just silly. It just turns into a moral argument which gets us nowhere. Instead let's be happy that pirates will get what they deserve and hopefully they learn their lesson. And for anyone innocent that receives these letters, then CDPR will know what to do.

It isn't about hiding anything it's simple you can't harass people because you think they did something.
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Originally Posted by Detahmaio View Post

It isn't about hiding anything it's simple you can't harass people because you think they did something.

If they retrieved your IP address from a torrent of their property don't you THINK that's enough to say you STOLE something? I mean come on.
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If they retrieved your IP address from a torrent of their property don't you THINK that's enough to say you STOLE something? I mean come on.

So if they used the free wifi from a local coffee house that means the owner of the coffee house had to been the one who downloaded the infringing material? What about the 75 year old grandma who has unsecured wifi? This is why just having an IP address isn't solid proof. It is enough to move forward to try and collect more concrete evidence, but by itself it's not enough.

Again, it's copyright infringement not theft. thumb.gif
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This isn't about pirates being right or wrong, please understand the issue at hand.

You don't take the law into your own hands and send threatening letters to people demanding money for something you can't prove.

I wouldn't be surprised that this is actually considered a citizen arrest. Some places encourage it. I for one am glad that CDP is going after pirates. However, I don't know what messages were sent. Stating that "Your criminal acts is of penalty of 'so many dollars', either pay up or we go to court" is by no means a threat if they carry through with it. Nor is it harassment.

The argument of "try the game out before I pay for it" is easily demolished as there are countless hours of gameplay footage on youtube of most games. It doesn't give you any reason to not see if you are interested in the game. Pirating has no excuse. And fundamentally, given the small sales increase as opposed to the amount lost, doesn't mean that sales improve because of it, but rather, you made a bit more then expected from what was stolen.

The thing is, is that, that logic doesn't work for the majority of people. Most people don't pay after torrenting the game. Some people do, but the majority, nope.





It's shocking how many people on this site support torrenting and trafficking of illegal digital software. Oh no, bad company for giving these pirates the easy way out by sending them a letter to pay up rather then scaring the crap out of them and bringing them to court. Likewise, 2 wrongs doesn't make 1 wrong right and the other wrong.
Edited by Domino - 12/15/11 at 3:25pm
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You are guilty until proven innocent...when it comes to be charged with something. A hermit living in a hole in the ground his entire life could get charged with grand theft. it would get reviewed for court and the judge would look at the evidence and see there was none...and though the case out, BUT, the hermit would still be charged with a crime until evidence (or lack there of) can show he was innocent. So that whole innocent until proven guilty thing is just something to make people charged with crimes feel better.
Heck, it would be possible for the said hermit to have to spend the time waiting for his case to be reviewed in jail...some times the penalty begins before the guilty verdict.

This is just a colossal misunderstanding of how the justice system works in this country. Being charged with a crime does NOT = being guilty of a crime. By your logic, a person could go to trial for murder, be 100% innocent and be found not guilty, but they would still have been guilty of murder at one point in their life (before the trial). That's just nonsense.
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I will bet you 500 million dollars it isn't 100% accurate. They use torrent spying companies and legal firms.
Did you read the article?
It mentions and links to a separate article that says people who haven't heard of the game are getting letters.

Here ya go: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/12/15/the-witcher-2-devs-claim-100-accuracy-in-identifying-pirates-demand-money-from-thousands/


*edit* I highly suggest people in this thread seek out other sources of information before forming their opinions. The sensationalism of the OP article is tainted with an obvious biased and outsourced facts. The link above contains an actual conversation with CDPR. Part of that conversation directly refutes the claims of a 900 euro price-tag for pirating the game. If that's a lie, then what makes you think that "people who haven't heard of the game getting letters" is accurate? Sounds like a pretty shade "fact" to me tongue.gif
Edited by flyingsaucers - 12/15/11 at 3:51pm
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Here ya go: http://www.pcgamer.com/2011/12/15/the-witcher-2-devs-claim-100-accuracy-in-identifying-pirates-demand-money-from-thousands/
*edit* I highly suggest people in this thread seek out other sources of information before forming their opinions. The sensationalism of the OP article is tainted with an obvious biased and outsourced facts. The link above contains an actual conversation with CDPR. Part of that conversation directly refutes the claims of a 900 euro price-tag for pirating the game. If that's a lie, then what makes you think that "people who haven't heard of the game getting letters" is accurate? Sounds like a pretty shade "fact" to me tongue.gif

This part is particularly important:
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“In terms of the compensation, the amounts that were circling around the internet were higher than what is actually asked from people as a settlement.” The actual number requested is private as part of the settlement’s confidentiality, but Michal wanted to make clear that no one was getting rich from the pirates.

To be honest the more I read about it, the more it seems like a good idea. If they estimate way more than half of people playing have pirated, that's a huge financial impact that is hampering higher quality development on future titles, which only really sucks for the people who have invested in the series. Clearly this isn't a DRM issue either like 90% of people seem to claim is the reason they pirate. Let me guess, all these pirates were going to buy it after just trying it out to see if they liked it? Lamest excuse I've ever heard.

Save up, buy the game, you will enjoy it more that way anyway. I know I will sleep easy tonight knowing everything on my PC is legal. Which raises an interesting point actually, how many pirate haters have 100% legit PC software/media collection I wonder
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