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and yet, despite what you and I consider cores, they perform as they do.

If you got an application optimized for the Bulldozer architecture each module will show 2x scaling...so Opterons with 16 cores will show near 16x scaling

Orochi-8C performs like an 8-core, I don't see the problem you are talking about

If you get an application optimized for the Sandy Bridge architecture with hyperthreading being used you can show 16x scaling on your supposed eight "core" xeon

You can pretty much make anything perform out of your definition of what you consider a core...
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I'm not preaching what I consider a true core. My point is: there are multiple meanings of the word core floating in the tech world right now. Pick yours, the CPUs won't care ;D
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To be more precise, a processor can be partitioned into the following functional units: data cache, instruction data, { control unit, instruction bus, data bus, (integer) datapath } and (floating point) accelerator datapath. Those inside the {} above form a "core". You may ask: why is integer datapath special? Because any process (thread + memory context) is *always* managed by the integer datapath. Any branch instruction, ILP, OOO, speculation, is performed by the integer datapath.

So the question to ask is how many sets of the {} above does a Bulldozer module have? The answer is 2. There are two cores. This has nothing to do with marketing. It's a technical definition.

http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=215011#p215011
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What constitutes a core is personal opinion... and cores in the traditional sense have changed before. 10 years down the line what we see as a true core will probably be different to now.

The only stupid arguement is saying it's not an 8 core because it's slower than a 4 core. Performance has nothing to do with core count.
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If you got an application optimized for the Bulldozer architecture each module will show 2x scaling...so Opterons with 16 cores will show near 16x scaling
Orochi-8C performs like an 8-core, I don't see the problem you are talking about
If you get an application optimized for the Sandy Bridge architecture with hyperthreading being used you can show 16x scaling on your supposed eight "core" xeon
You can pretty much make anything perform out of your definition of what you consider a core...
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To be more precise, a processor can be partitioned into the following functional units: data cache, instruction data, { control unit, instruction bus, data bus, (integer) datapath } and (floating point) accelerator datapath. Those inside the {} above form a "core". You may ask: why is integer datapath special? Because any process (thread + memory context) is *always* managed by the integer datapath. Any branch instruction, ILP, OOO, speculation, is performed by the integer datapath.
So the question to ask is how many sets of the {} above does a Bulldozer module have? The answer is 2. There are two cores. This has nothing to do with marketing. It's a technical definition.
http://www.amdzone.com/phpbb3/viewtopic.php?p=215011#p215011

As I said, I won't discuss it here, this is not what this thread is about. Open one about core definition and I'll gladly join biggrin.gif
    
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As I said, I won't discuss it here, this is not what this thread is about. Open one about core definition and I'll gladly join biggrin.gif

just join AMDzone and talk there
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just join AMDzone and talk there

will do, I need an update in my computer knowledge.
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Hey Alex are you still running with the patch? Have you noticed any of the supposed problems that MS claims it received complaints about?
     
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Hey Alex are you still running with the patch? Have you noticed any of the supposed problems that MS claims it received complaints about?

Still running the patch.
If you look at the 1st page, you'll notice there's a loss of performance with winRAR, that's a downside.

I've never experienced any BSOD since installing the patch.

To me, up to now, is just a question of tradeoff. Small gains in some areas, small losses in others.

I've never experienced anything more than 10% jump in performance, though. Any such claims I take no responsability for.

Cheers,
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Still running the patch.
If you look at the 1st page, you'll notice there's a loss of performance with winRAR, that's a downside.
I've never experienced any BSOD since installing the patch.
To me, up to now, is just a question of tradeoff. Small gains in some areas, small losses in others.
I've never experienced anything more than 10% jump in performance, though. Any such claims I take no responsability for.
Cheers,
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A loss on WinRAR? Weird. Could you try out 7zip? I know it's also asking a lot but could you try doing the x264 HD benchmark?
     
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A loss on WinRAR? Weird. Could you try out 7zip? I know it's also asking a lot but could you try doing the x264 HD benchmark?

I don't have 7zip. I could install it for you (luckly for mee, I'm on vacation, starting today)... take a look at how I did the winrar test and check if it would suffice for you.

Also, what's the x264 benchmark? biggrin.gif
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