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Hey that's cool, did you use Wine ?
Yes. It worked very well for me once I sorted out all the issues. Get winetricks if you can, it'll help you install some games and such.
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I protest. Mint uses Gnome 3, so it isn't anything like Kubuntu. But to each his own.

Last I tried mint it looked similar and greener to a Kubuntu release I tried years ago (maybe an 8/9 release) which is why I said that. I had no idea they use Gnome 3 now, but I don't like that either so meh.

Is synaptic really gone in the later Ubuntus? Wow they had better have a good reason for that. Synaptic is a rather easy thing to use.

@OP try mint and see if you like it. If not, there are plenty other distros you can try smile.gif Linux these days is mostly about preference.
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Hey that's cool, did you use Wine ?
Yes. It worked very well for me once I sorted out all the issues. Get winetricks if you can, it'll help you install some games and such.
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I protest. Mint uses Gnome 3, so it isn't anything like Kubuntu. But to each his own.

Last I tried mint it looked similar and greener to a Kubuntu release I tried years ago (maybe an 8/9 release) which is why I said that. I had no idea they use Gnome 3 now, but I don't like that either so meh.

Is synaptic really gone in the later Ubuntus? Wow they had better have a good reason for that. Synaptic is a rather easy thing to use.

@OP try mint and see if you like it. If not, there are plenty other distros you can try smile.gif Linux these days is mostly about preference.

ok I will download MINT today and I guess give it a shot I hope it dose not do the same stuff I am really trying to get this to work but keep hitting dead ends, and I am more pissed at windows now than ever!
I seen they came out with a patch for the Bulldozer cpu's but retracted it because it will hurt windows 8 sales which is to be better for the new cpu! I got the patch of coarse from a seeder thank god and yes it works
I can't believe they are that dam petty that they would allow people to not get better performance for a sale of another OS that will sell anyway you look at it, but not me I am not buying it! I tried it and I don't like it at all
I have a easier time with what I know already about file system why would they change that, I know they did not totally change everything but that metro app system is just all to weird trying to adjust anything, I am sorry
if this makes no sense I just woke up and was thinking about why I wanted to switch and it got me going! lol
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ok I will download MINT today and I guess give it a shot I hope it dose not do the same stuff I am really trying to get this to work but keep hitting dead ends, and I am more pissed at windows now than ever!
I seen they came out with a patch for the Bulldozer cpu's but retracted it because it will hurt windows 8 sales which is to be better for the new cpu! I got the patch of coarse from a seeder thank god and yes it works
I can't believe they are that dam petty that they would allow people to not get better performance for a sale of another OS that will sell anyway you look at it, but not me I am not buying it! I tried it and I don't like it at all
I have a easier time with what I know already about file system why would they change that, I know they did not totally change everything but that metro app system is just all to weird trying to adjust anything, I am sorry
if this makes no sense I just woke up and was thinking about why I wanted to switch and it got me going! lol

Mint is good, I would suggest you try with Arch first and see how it suits you, else you can always go and have a pepper Mint.
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ok I will download MINT today and I guess give it a shot I hope it dose not do the same stuff I am really trying to get this to work but keep hitting dead ends, and I am more pissed at windows now than ever!
I seen they came out with a patch for the Bulldozer cpu's but retracted it because it will hurt windows 8 sales which is to be better for the new cpu! I got the patch of coarse from a seeder thank god and yes it works
I can't believe they are that dam petty that they would allow people to not get better performance for a sale of another OS that will sell anyway you look at it, but not me I am not buying it! I tried it and I don't like it at all
I have a easier time with what I know already about file system why would they change that, I know they did not totally change everything but that metro app system is just all to weird trying to adjust anything, I am sorry
if this makes no sense I just woke up and was thinking about why I wanted to switch and it got me going! lol

Mint is good, I would suggest you try with Arch first and see how it suits you, else you can always go and have a pepper Mint.

well Mint does the same thing BTW I can not get network to work to the internet at all!!!!! I am getting upset with this lol I have been trying for days to get a step by step way to make it work but
I cant even get it to do crap besides show up on the network

???? why does it say IP address 192.168.1.102 but then it says shoot forgot but has a address of 192.168.1.255 which is wrong but there is no setting to change that?
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well Mint does the same thing BTW I can not get network to work to the internet at all!!!!! I am getting upset with this lol I have been trying for days to get a step by step way to make it work but
I cant even get it to do crap besides show up on the network
???? why does it say IP address 192.168.1.102 but then it says shoot forgot but has a address of 192.168.1.255 which is wrong but there is no setting to change that?

I am a bit confused as to what you are asking.

Is your machine connected directly to your DSL / cable modem or whatever connection you are using or is your machine connected to a router ?

If you need to configure your IP in mint than go to Menu / Other / Network tools

you can press ctrl + alt + t that would take you to the terminal where you can use the commands.

The 192.168.1.255 should be the broadcast. run ifconfig in the terminal mode that should show your IP / bcast / gw.
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Linux is best used for servers and cellphones
U would be better off gaming on a mac as linux gaming sucks
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I know I am quoting from early in the thread but having watched the progression I haven't seen anyone address the underlying 600 pound gorilla here and in many follow-ups. To those who have actually used Linux, the posts from people whose opinions come only secondhand from what they've heard somewhere stick out like a red-headed step-child. For those who actually have the brains to manage their own PCs I would hope you would ask yourself "What sort of OpSys is capable of such diverse and specific customization to excel in such disparate hardware as well as application to be the preferred system for servers and cellphones?" Furthermore just what is it about the most popular "Swiss Army Knife" OpSys in the world - Windows - that has caused it to fail in these areas?

The answers lie partly in the same area - basic design philosophy. At the very beginning of the Linux vs Windows War (or on a wider scale, Open Source vs/ Closed Source) the fundamentals of the two were superbly analyzed and characterized in The Cathedral and the Bazarr and nearly 20 years later it is not only still true but even more true and evident to anyone who actually cares enough to discover it for themselves, than ever.

To illustrate these differences imagine you are considering an operating system and associated applications to monitor and control your new Hydrogen burning auto powerplant and you realize that fundamentally much of what is in an existing system for gasoline engines is still applicable with only slight modifications. Quite simply this is forbidden in a Windows or Mac system and you are faced with either "re-inventing the wheel" or paying exorbitant fees (if that is even allowed) while on Open Source you are free, and even encouraged, to modify to your heart's content and hopefully share some or all of your results with the community that made that possible. Which would you likely choose?

In the commercial software development business the smart players hedge their bets by doing both. If you look at the code on many Windows "features" you will find considerable GPL since even Microsoft borrows from Open Source and Linux. Much they also just steal outright because they are in a position to call it their own and get away with it. So developers often develop on Open Source and Linux and then expand into the Windows world to pay the bills. On a user level Audacity is but one example and on a larger level MySQL, Apache, and PHP are all continuing examples of the viability and even superiority of such a strategy. It is worthy of note that nVidia was once quoted as saying that their Linux driver is superior to their Windows driver because of the freedom and direct kernel access only possible in Linux or other Open Source systems.

To get back to the more specific edge of this thread, it is simply untrue that gaming on Linux sucks and in fact hardware control is actually often superior and the difference in latency throughout must simply be experienced to be felt and understood for more than just mere numbers. However those numbers are impressive considering that latency can easily be 1/10 that in Windows in lower level specific areas and easily 1/2 system wide. The fact is that Linux doesn't suck for gaming, it is just limited in what games one can play. It is also not true that only old games play well in Linux but it is true that not all new games play well in Linux.... at least for now.

It seems to me that the very fact that AMD chose to develop Linux drivers after having already invested huge sums of money into ATi is a very telling story. That they continue to slog it out, despite early difficulties, demonstrates a deep commitment beyond mere desire to have something for PR value.

So for those like OP that have the insight to comprehend this trend and what it can mean for them, I commend you and support your willingness to learn and take ownership of your computers back from The Cathedrals. I'm just chiming in to have you consider that most in the know also realize it is worth the struggle. smile.gif
Edited by enorbet2 - 12/17/11 at 11:26am
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Linux is best used for servers and cellphones
U would be better off gaming on a mac as linux gaming sucks
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Greetz
I know I am quoting from early in the thread but having watched the progression I haven't seen anyone address the underlying 600 pound gorilla here and in many follow-ups. To those who have actually used Linux, the posts from people whose opinions come only secondhand from what they've heard somewhere stick out like a red-headed step-child. For those who actually have the brains to manage their own PCs I would hope you would ask yourself "What sort of OpSys is capable of such diverse and specific customization to excel in such disparate hardware as well as application to be the preferred system for servers and cellphones?" Furthermore just what is it about the most popular "Swiss Army Knife" OpSys in the world - Windows - that has caused it to fail in these areas?

The answers lie partly in the same area - basic design philosophy. At the very beginning of the Linux vs Windows War (or on a wider scale, Open Source vs/ Closed Source) the fundamentals of the two were superbly analyzed and characterized in The Cathedral and the Bazarr and nearly 20 years later it is not only still true but even more true and evident to anyone who actually cares enough to discover it for themselves, than ever.

To illustrate these differences imagine you are considering an operating system and associated applications to monitor and control your new Hydrogen burning auto powerplant and you realize that fundamentally much of what is in an existing system for gasoline engines is still applicable with only slight modifications. Quite simply this is forbidden in a Windows or Mac system and you are faced with either "re-inventing the wheel" or paying exorbitant fees (if that is even allowed) while on Open Source you are free, and even encouraged, to modify to your heart's content and hopefully share some or all of your results with the community that made that possible. Which would you likely choose?

In the commercial software development business the smart players hedge their bets by doing both. If you look at the code on many Windows "features" you will find considerable GPL since even Microsoft borrows from Open Source and Linux. Much they also just steal outright because they are in a position to call it their own and get away with it. So developers often develop on Open Source and Linux and then expand into the Windows world to pay the bills. On a user level Audacity is but one example and on a larger level MySQL, Apache, and PHP are all continuing examples of the viability and even superiority of such a strategy. It is worthy of note that nVidia was once quoted as saying that their Linux driver is superior to their Windows driver because of the freedom and direct kernel access only possible in Linux or other Open Source systems.

To get back to the more specific edge of this thread, it is simply untrue that gaming on Linux sucks and in fact hardware control is actually often superior and the difference in latency throughout must simply be experienced to be felt and understood for more than just mere numbers. However those numbers are impressive considering that latency can easily be 1/10 that in Windows in lower level specific areas and easily 1/2 system wide. The fact is that Linux doesn't suck for gaming, it is just limited in what games one can play. It is also not true that only old games play well in Linux but it is true that not all new games play well in Linux.... at least for now.

It seems to me that the very fact that AMD chose to develop Linux drivers after having already invested huge sums of money into ATi is a very telling story. That they continue to slog it out, despite early difficulties, demonstrates a deep commitment beyond mere desire to have something for PR value.

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dude that was about the ;longest post I have ever read on here but thank you! I still would love to use this OS in any form just to learn and grow with it as I have with jumping from DOS to windows over many years, I
still can't figure out why I can't connect to the net no matter what I do every site says to do things but all require access to the net so its like a never ending battle as ask again


PLEASE HELP!!!!! I am not able to figure it out and have tried and tried every one of the linux's every thing that I have read that makes sense and not one glimmer of hope yet!!!
Edited by Bradford1040 - 12/17/11 at 11:51am
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dude that was about the ;longest post I have ever read on here but thank you! I still would love to use this OS in any form just to learn and grow with it as I have with jumping from DOS to windows over many years, I
still can't figure out why I can't connect to the net no matter what I do every site says to do things but all require access to the net so its like a never ending battle as ask again
PLEASE HELP!!!!! I am not able to figure it out and have tried and tried every one of the linux's every thing that I have read that makes sense and not one glimmer of hope yet!!!

Please read my post a of couple posts back.
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I don't recommend you to use Linux for gaming. Better stay on Windows or Mac.
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well Mint does the same thing BTW I can not get network to work to the internet at all!!!!! I am getting upset with this lol I have been trying for days to get a step by step way to make it work but
I cant even get it to do crap besides show up on the network
???? why does it say IP address 192.168.1.102 but then it says shoot forgot but has a address of 192.168.1.255 which is wrong but there is no setting to change that?

I am a bit confused as to what you are asking.

Is your machine connected directly to your DSL / cable modem or whatever connection you are using or is your machine connected to a router ?

If you need to configure your IP in mint than go to Menu / Other / Network tools

you can press ctrl + alt + t that would take you to the terminal where you can use the commands.

The 192.168.1.255 should be the broadcast. run ifconfig in the terminal mode that should show your IP / bcast / gw.

dude not to sound ungrateful but done all that, I cant get it to connect it is a driver thing i think something about rolling back to a older version but I cant figure out how! I dont even know step one as all the steps I read say
download in package installer lol is that a joke if there is no net HOW CAN I! lol I swear its like pulling teeth


PS I have a T1 connection and I am fine on all my other PC's it even grabs the right ip from the router but I can get out after it installs in ubuntu it checks the net on install and says its active but wont download updates at all
Mint does it and btw every version of Ubuntu does it kubuntu as well Debian every single one and I mean all I have about 15 different ones as I said I want this to work, with immo off on 64mb enabled disabled you name it I have done it but I guess I am missing something but what?
Edited by Bradford1040 - 12/17/11 at 12:02pm
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