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It is bad news when you need a patch for your CPU......
(I am not an intel fanboy, past systems prove this!)

Intel just recently got a MS patch for Hyperthreading.
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french.it is among the october pile of review.ill supply site once i arrive home.or if i find it on this 3.7 inch thing( dont buy android)
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It is bad news when you need a patch for your CPU......
(I am not an intel fanboy, past systems prove this!)

What a stupid thing to say... There's nothing wrong in requiring a patch... It just means your processor design is fairly alien to the OS. Pentium 4 needed a patch for Hyperthreading, too.
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are you serious.ms has been asking amd the info of the proc for month.amd said they wouldnt supply said info because intel has an office at ms and amd want fx critical info to stay secret( ant say i blame them with the memry controller etc )even with the darn info i bet amd and ms willneed to sit in the same room to complete fx intended way of working. a lot seem to think it is the same as intel.dont sweat it it isnt even remotly close(would be so simple if they had).i am surprisef tho .amd was not supplsed to go this way after the massive firing.who ever spoke to amd and made them stick to fx ty

I am not flaming you so please don't take offense; What is your native language? It doesn't look to be English.
Where did you get this information?

It is almost like you have some inside information, like an employee or something thats had too much to drink tonight and your spilling the beans talking about all of this that is "news" to all of us but just natural to you because just maybe you witnessed it? Conspiracy? tongue.gif

referring to the quoted quote oops. meant for drbaltazar
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Both Bulldozer and Llano yields are low so it is not a demand issue... but a supply issue!

Supposedly, Apple was looking at Llano for their MacBook Air but AMD could not supply enough chips.
Ouch, that really has to hurt if you're AMD, but I do know that they've done business together before, so I'm sure things can change if they get the yields up.

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AFAIK the main "trouble" AMD is having with the new FX processors is the fact that they are selling faster than they can make them.
...that is because yields are too low. tongue.gif

Both Bulldozer and Llano yields are low so it is not a demand issue... but a supply issue!

Supposedly, Apple was looking at Llano for their MacBook Air but AMD could not supply enough chips.

If they were not selling, yield would be irrelevant. What part of "FX processors are selling faster than they can make them" confuses you?
Sorry Steel, but Duckie is probably right on this one; there is a very low likelihood that these things are selling out fast because that many people are buying them, especially considering their overall bad performance in their respective price ranges. That, and the fact that we know yields are low suggests even more that it's likely a supply issue here. I'd also argue that's why the FX processors have maintained their relatively high prices based on performance, too.
 
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Well, just because i say it is bad when your CPU needs a patch, it does not mean i am automatically directing it at AMD. Also, if you wanna get down to it, at least Intel recalled a bad product.

A chipset's SATA controller not working correctly and performance of a CPU have nothing to do with each other, at all.

Nothing is bad about Bulldozer. It may perhaps not perform to our liking, but that is purely subjective. And CPUs needing a patch doesn't mean anything is bad. To me that says Intel and AMD are innovating.
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Well, just because i say it is bad when your CPU needs a patch, it does not mean i am automatically directing it at AMD. Also, if you wanna get down to it, at least Intel recalled a bad product.

A chipset's SATA controller not working correctly and performance of a CPU have nothing to do with each other, at all.

Nothing is bad about Bulldozer. It may perhaps not perform to our liking, but that is purely subjective. And CPUs needing a patch doesn't mean anything is bad. To me that says Intel and AMD are innovating.

Well said. These people are always saying the same things about BD and that it is worthless. Oh yea tell that to all the BD owners, they don't wanna hear it. Not everyone is in the pursuit of performance, their FX processor is serving them just fine and it will for YEARS to come.
    
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AFAIK the main "trouble" AMD is having with the new FX processors is the fact that they are selling faster than they can make them.
...that is because yields are too low. tongue.gif

Both Bulldozer and Llano yields are low so it is not a demand issue... but a supply issue!

Supposedly, Apple was looking at Llano for their MacBook Air but AMD could not supply enough chips.

If they were not selling, yield would be irrelevant. What part of "FX processors are selling faster than they can make them" confuses you?

Are you serious?

You clearly lack any understanding of supply and demand. When you are selling to a world market including OEM manufacturers its easy to sell chips. When you have poor yields which are greatly restricting the quantity of said chips that you can supply to OEM and retail, then you have an issue. It's easy to sell out of chips when you are only able to produce a fraction of what the market demands.

Also, who do you think AMD will preference, OEM companies which are buying chips by the tens of thousands? Or retail stores who are only ordering a few dozen at a time? Naturally, AMD will fulfill their OEM partners needs before the retail stores.

So this leads us to the next phase, chips selling out at retail. The reason isn't because the fx processors are selling like hot cakes at retail, its simply because the quantity that AMD are sending to retail is far less than what the market is demanding.

The proof will be in the pudding when the new market share figures are released and AMD barely gain back any market share, certainly far less than one would expect with a brand new, highly anticipated product being released to market.

And to draw another comparison, most OEM machines I see (infact about 90%) all use sandy bridge CPUs, most people I know and see on OCN who are building new machines are running SB, not BD.

So it quite simply is a lack of supply. If you can't see that then you are in denial.
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i like amd.but i went intel last week.lets face lot of stuff isnt working but it isnt amd end the issue.check 64 bit great idea but dev wont have anything to do with it.fx is in the same boat.very innovative but it will take year for its techno to be masse adopted if fma3 doesnt steel its thunder.i wanted a good proc right now went intel.
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More waiting. I don't expect to see anything amazing, but we shall see.
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"Oh? It didn't help much? Bulldozer still sucks? Uhhh, no you see what happened here is, there was another part...yeah! another part we forgot about! Just wait guys...uhm we'll get that right out to you when we figure out what we're doing...I mean, finish up the 2nd part."

I really hope BD shows some improvements, sounds like the run around to me though.
rolleyes.gif Sounds dumb, all around, to me.
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