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post #171 of 269
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Originally Posted by _02 View Post

I know it seems like using 4GB of RAM in resource monitor would mean you need 4GB or more of RAM, but does anyone have any proof that this is true for non insane settings/resolutions? The game could scale based on your available RAM. Comparative performance measurements would be more appropriate.
From a gamer oriented POV:

The most that (unmodded) games use is about 2GB like BF3 (and Origin and web browser). A lot of people likely have a bunch of IM and background apps running as well. In that case 4GB will not be enough to run.

However, Windows 7/Vista does tend to cache more information into ram on higher memory systems.

The majority of games can run just fine on 4GB ram systems. There are just a few outliers that push the limits.
post #172 of 269
I'm going to be upgrading to 8GB here in the near future. Ever since the most recent BF3 patch, the game has been sucking up all but 200MB of my 4GB of RAM...
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I think that 6GB is plently for even those who run several tasks. I never go about 3.5GB to 4GB at a huge push.
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post #174 of 269
When I do my next build I'll do 8Gb just because its so cheap theres no real reason not to. For now I have 4gb and have zero issues in any games. BF3 included.
post #175 of 269
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A lot of people likely have a bunch of IM and background apps running as well. In that case 4GB will not be enough to run.

I didn't think about that, as I usually minimize system draw when doing something performance oriented, but honestly those things shouldn't be included in a discussion of necessity because the overhead of 6 virtual machines is not a performance requirement of games or applications. This is like saying we all need 30 inch monitors because we have too many icons on our desktop.

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The majority of games can run just fine on 4GB ram systems. There are just a few outliers that push the limits.

That's how I feel, and I lump running tons of non related apps concurrently into this outlier section to. Of course you need more resources when you increase the number of things requiring them. This isn't a reflection of software requirements, but a reflection of user habits.

Not knocking anyone for having +4GB of RAM, just saying that 8GB isn't a required minimum due to general software constraints.
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post #176 of 269
I think I might need to upgrade from 6Gb...

Wish I could get two set of 8Gb Ripjaws for $30 each like they were last week, with my google offers code, that would have been sweet.
post #177 of 269
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Your situation represents an extreme. Not many people run four copies of their games at the same time. There are applications where one could need 128GB RAM, but that is hardly something to judge minimums or standards by. For playing a single game @ 1920x1080 with reasonable settings, I'm not really convinced that 4GB is insufficient. Like some of you have said, if the price is right why not buy more, but plenty of people have older systems with 4GB of RAM and no reason to upgrade.

You're absolutely right, I am an extreme wink.gif
I have noticed, however, that if you cut off windows pagefile (a more common situation) running some common newer games will eat up all of 4GB in no seconds flat. Usually not FPS, but games like Supreme Commander with boatloads of AIs beating up on you. I actually had a single older game game with pagefile ON (Sid Meyers Railroads) eat up all of 4GB of ram. Surprised me to pieces.
But regardless, the situation of memory usage is only going to get worse for the better. Upgrade before you're forced to I say! thumb.gif
Edited by compmaster - 12/20/11 at 9:08am
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post #178 of 269
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stop one thing and do something else, then resume what it was doing.

And I can switch tasks vastly faster than even the fastest systems can load and unload complex programs from memory.

I frequently find myself with many apps up, sometimes even while gaming. It's vastly faster and more efficient to have the programs loaded into RAM and running, ready to be alt-tabed to, than it is to close it and start it up every few seconds. I frequently read, listen to music, trade stock, even wheile playing games that need a significant degree of concentration, as there are always moments when absolute concentration is not required.
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So unless you are botting in one of the game, it's hard to play two games at once.

Nonsense.
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So you are trying to say that you actually need all that open?
You play multiple games at the same time?

I often have 2-3 browsers with dozens of tabs each open, and yes I do reference them often enough to justify this.

I rarely play more than one game at a time, but I have done so before, and frequently do other things while playing a game.
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its the way paging file work!it is bugged and ms keep yelling ny ny ny!we want it to work like that!when ms fix the paging file issue the ram will go down,also remember that even with 8 gb of ram you can hit the max 4 gb thingy cause they are unrelated sadly
like yes the access is 8 gb but each file still cant be more then 4gb so in the end the max is still the same !surprised? i sure was !i am like why go to the trouble of getting 8 gb if i am still locked under the file 4gb limit!so far ms hasnt supplied a way to change this ( as far as i know)
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Ram usage is dependent on the game and how much RAM you have. As stated in my previous post, if you only have 4gig, the game will not use more than that. If you have 8 or more, then the game(DX10 or above) will start to utilize the extra RAM base on the need of the video driver to allocate more video ram.
You can benchmark a game comparing 4gig and 8 gig, you'll likely see that there is no difference performance wise. I'm not a game developer, so I couldn't tell you what the extra system RAM is being used for, but it's likely some type of caching or texture storage. It may help in load time, but not performance wise.




I didn't read the whole thread infact i stopped at page 8? but i'm just going to say this here and now, You are wrong, You are so Very Very wrong. i did a bit of a test for you on my desktop


Test one Single 2GB stick, I launched no browsers, No music, Just steam and killing floor a relativly old game, It took up to 50 seconds to launch the game from an OCZ SSD then another minute to load a level, And up to three minutes to alt tab out of the game.

Ontop of that on the map "West london" with 5 other players i experienced constant stuttering with a GTX 460 2gb.



Test Two, Two 2GB sticks 2x2(4gb total)
I launched as above, no browsers, No music, Just steam and killing floor(runs through steam btw) It took 30 seconds to launch the game from the same SSD, Then another 20 to load the level and 1 minute 25 to alt tab out of the game, On the same map, with 5 players. I experienced still some stuttering still



Test Three four Two GB sticks 4x2(8GB total)

I launched the above, No browsers, No music, Just steam and killing floor it took 5 seconds to launch the game, then another 13 to load the level, alt tabbing was instant, It was also the same map with 5 players, i experienced zero stuttering and fluid gameplay.



I also tested World of warcraft, and Fallout 3 with the above tests and they all received the same results.


The amount of ram you have directly responds to performance, my laptop has 12GB ddr3 @ 1066 (Yet to update sig) I massivly multi task, At any one point in time i've got wow open, a movie or music, internet explorer/firefox depending on my mood, and typicly 10-50 tabs open a download, utorrent, Ventrilo/mumble steam, Msn I use up to 10GB of that on average. with the page file disabled, i experience no stutter and absolute fluid performance. Hell, With my new desktop build around the corner and ram so cheap as it is, I'm just going to throw in a 32 or 64GB quad channel kit, Purely because i can, Sure i could get away with 16, but meh.

Edit: Right now i am using 93% of my Ram, Running Wow (Talking to my wow friends, Running the auction house.) and Dragon age at the same time in windowed mode


Say what you will, But you can do more with more ram, things will run smoother the more you have (obviously if your just going to run Bf3 with nothing in the background you won't notice the diff between 8 and 16, But if you've got stuff in the background then you most definatly will, What most people don't take into account is THE OPERATING SYSTEM HAS TO USE THE RAM ASWELL NOT JUST THE GAME)
Edited by Rayleyne - 12/20/11 at 9:35am
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