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Hi There.

TL;DR
Current build could use for OC goodness. Cannot seem to get a stable setup. LGA 775, Asus P5B Deluxe [P965], Q8400.


*Please could this be moved if it is in the wrong area*.

Now that I am only vacation I can finally dive into my problems with Iteration 2.0 (my current build) and how I need to keep it running healthy (gaming wise) till at least Iteration 2.5, then 3.0 by the end of 2012. Basically my current rig is doing me well, but I would like to get a little more kick out of it in its final years before I completely replace it for an Ivy Bridge setup. Also if I upgrade the PC in peacemail (think that's how it is spelt) I can enjoy the benefits of a new GPU without bottlenecking it.

CPU: Q8400 FSB1333 (333x4); 2.66Ghz; Max multi = x8; P965 chipset.
Mobo: Asus P5B Deluxe (5 years and going strong); LGA 775; 800Mhz DDR2 RAM support.
Bios: Latest version v1238, no updates since 2008.
PSU: Gigabyte Odin 585w (operates at 65 - 85% load ranging from stock to OC); Corsair TX850 V2 to replace this soon.
GPU: Asus HD 4870 1gb; 750Mhz Core + 900Mhz Memory @ Stock; 785 + 1000 @ OC); this is the highest I want to run this card, gets to 70c sometimes, set PCI frequency to 100 in BIOS; not sure about other voltages, set to auto.
RAM: Team Group Extreem 2x1024mb 800Mhz DD2 4-4-4-10; currently set to 5-6-6-15. Voltage range = 2.0 - 2.2.
CPU Cooler: Thermalright HR-02 Macho; cheaper than a MUX-120 and better than anything else I could source locally (noctua was not available + too big for a CM 430 Elite).
Paste: Antec Nano 7 Diamond.

So... I will include screenshots where I can.
Please, this is a desperate cry for help, I've been reading everything I come across and my system just does not feel stable at all after I OC it. I work so when my woman is at home using my PC I need it to be 100% stable so that it does not bomb out on her while I'm away.

This is my stock setup:
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Stock RAM setup:
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My best OC, but not 100% stable (RAM maintained the same timings as CL5 timings as shown above):
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So... A quick break down of the problems:
  1. 1 - CPU VCore rises to 1.56V on auto blinksmiley.gif
  2. 2 - 1.325V was fine for 3.2Ghz OC
  3. 3 - Every OC attempt leads to a boot error of (1xlong > 3xshort beeps) indicating a memory issue. I've left the memory voltage on auto and set it 2.15, neither has stopped the problem occuring.

I can get to 3.2Ghz with x8 and 400xFSB. I thought since the ram was DDR2 800Mhz that it would be super at 1:1 with 400FSB (@ stock its 1:1 for 333FSB). I find I am always getting a memory related boot error... so what is going on?

I tried setting the timings to 4-4-4-10 with 400xFSB and the system wouldn't start at all. With the memory voltage error I mention above it takes a few seconds then it boots normally to windows after the error. So basically I cannot change the RAM timings frown.gif.

My CPU OC is unstable (memory boot error) and feels sluggish; this is despite giving the Vcore its full dose of 1.36V (Max recommended for Q8400).
I cannot mess with the RAM timings. Memory related boot errors are constant with any RAM/Mobo/CPU OC, but not a GPU OC done via Catalyst.
My GPU only OC generates the best 3DMark results but pushes heat up from 60c Max to around 70c Max, not good.

I cannot sink more money into RAM and cooling for this Iteration if it's not going to hold stable for a 24/7 OC to 3.2Ghz. That is all I want, 3.2 Ghz and if possible the OC I stated above for the GPU.
I OC'd both simultaneously and after about 10 minutes of Skyrim it crashed to WIn 7 and Catalyst informed me that my display drivers had crashed and needed to restart themselves.

Please, any assistance in making this simple Q8400 OC to 3.2Ghz stable for 24/7 use would be appreciated.
post #2 of 6
I think it's due to the 965 chipset, they just weren't very good clockers, if your buying one at a time, possibly look for a P45 mobo??
    
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It's the one I have at the moment. My next upgrade is to an Asus P8Z68-V Pro/Gen3 with an i5 2500k till Ivy Bridge or 2013... so no, I cannot replace the mobo or the CPU, I need to find a way to make this current setup stable smile.gif.
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446Think you are out of luck with OC'ing that board with a 1333FSB cpu. Or only for a minimal OC :/ I think the P965 was originally designed to only use 1066/800mhz FSB cpu's. And you are probably using a Beta BIOS that supports 1333FSB..
Edited by ep45-ds3l - 12/17/11 at 8:24am
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With ivy bridge coming out so soon, id either get a better 775 board to tide you over or upgrade to 2500k now. That 965 is about at it's max.
Edited by SMK - 12/17/11 at 9:43am
    
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Originally Posted by ep45-ds3l View Post

446Think you are out of luck with OC'ing that board with a 1333FSB cpu. Or only for a minimal OC :/ I think the P965 was originally designed to only use 1066/800mhz FSB cpu's. And you are probably using a Beta BIOS that supports 1333FSB..

I got the board with an e6400 originally, the cheapest beastly overclocker CPU ever... I never really took advantage of that OC potential. I swapped it out for the Q8400 earlier this year just to give the system a boost (Dual @ 1.86 to Quad @ 2.66) but now I find i'm still battling with games like Skyrim and Heroes 6 (most annoying v-sync-esque stutter I have ever encountered, driving me mad).

Like I said, I can get the CPU up to 3.2 with 8x @ 400FSB with no problem and the system ran fine for several days; Orthos with blend stress test was left overnight and all passes.
However when I restart I get a boot error (1xlong, 3xshort) which is saying something about my memory but I don't know what :/

I seriously don't mind holding it at 3.2Ghz till I can upgrade ti Ivy Bridge, but for some reason the numbers don't look right to me... @4000FSB I have stable temps but the system does not feel faster, the RAM timings don't change to their native 4-4-4-10 @400Mhz so I don't get it :/. I know there is potential to at least get the RAM stable so that I can stay at 3.2Ghz stable for 24/7 use.

This stupid 'OC friendly' RAM cost more than my damn CPU and it's done nothing decent for me frown.gif. Worse purchase ever, thanks Team Group.
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