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That theory is easily debunked. Not less than 4 years ago before the Xeon 3000 and 5000 series, Opterons were clearly the better choice. Yet Intel still sold well. No, it's not entirely because it is better now, it's more of just brand recognition and choice by people that can make budget decisions.

"Better" isn't always defined by performance. Intel might be better because they are more stable, have better support, and software wise is more reliable. Most importantly however is likely that they have a good reputation for reliability. Sure they were more power hungry and slower, but that is just one of many criteria that is factored in for purchasing decisions.
    
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"Better" isn't always defined by performance. Intel might be better because they are more stable, have better support, and software wise is more reliable. Most importantly however is likely that they have a good reputation for reliability. Sure they were more power hungry and slower, but that is just one of many criteria that is factored in for purchasing decisions.

Stability isn't in this discussion. Without conclusive evidence that neither an Intel nor an AMD is more stable, you can't say Intel is more "stable". The fact of the matter is, I see more Intel based servers fail. Why because we buy currently 100% intel base servers, so my current evidence only show that Intel has failures.

"Better Support" does not have anything to do with Intel or AMD. Support is solely on the OEM. Even with that you can also have different degree of support. A standard 3 year on parts and labor or an increase in cost to the support plan can get you 2 hour turn around on high availability requirements. In essence better support boils down to "you get what you paid for".
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TL;DR thread.

Also depends on your environment. Things like Call Manager won't run on top of an AMD environment (and screw up horrendously in a virtualized AMD environment).
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Stability isn't in this discussion. Without conclusive evidence that neither an Intel nor an AMD is more stable, you can't say Intel is more "stable". The fact of the matter is, I see more Intel based servers fail. Why because we buy currently 100% intel base servers, so my current evidence only show that Intel has failures.
"Better Support" does not have anything to do with Intel or AMD. Support is solely on the OEM. Even with that you can also have different degree of support. A standard 3 year on parts and labor or an increase in cost to the support plan can get you 2 hour turn around on high availability requirements. In essence better support boils down to "you get what you paid for".

Ah yes, but you fail to see that it is not hard numbers and hardware experts that always make the decisions, it is the perception, reputation that matter, and managers that make the calls! We can quote X or Y benchmark or figure, but at the end of the day it isn't always us IT guys that make the purchases, it is many times the managers that haven't touched servers in 3 years and don't know much that see the salesmans pitch and make the calls.

AMD was a bit of a new comer, and wasn't that well established. "We bought Intel last year, why should we change to AMD?" is a hard argument to make in inflexible enterprises.

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many are blaming bulldozer..... ;-(
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many are blaming bulldozer..... ;-(

What a terrible addition to this thread.

BD has little or nothing to do with Servers at this point.
    
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well people were dissapointed and went with intel.
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OP, what are those SPARC servers used for and what's running on them?

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Intel is able to buy their installed base and once they have them they can keep them. AMD has been delivering good server products for years and exceptional value not only in the hardware but it TCO, where Intel simply can't compete. AMD has lost ground in the past 5 years due to poor leadership within but BD Opterons are in high demand because of their performance and value over Intel.

Just as some companies only buy IBM or Dell or whatever brand there are companies that only buy Intel. A company buyer can always defend their action to buy Intel even when Intel is not the best choice. To paraphrase: "No one ever got fired for buying Intel", though many should have.
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OP, what are those SPARC servers used for and what's running on them?

It's a proprietary mainframe type system that the company I work for developed back in the mid 90s.

It's horrendous.
    
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