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Ok guys i spent some time getting a drawing close to the setup i have and where i want to add a second res.This will not bu used as a fill point.Just to add more coolant and for show.Also may make it easier to drain my loop.

Theres 2 Reservoirs i am looking at and i am not sure what angle fittings and compression fitting to use until i figure out the best hose routing to make this work.

Reservoir #1 Bitspower Water Tank Z-Multi 150 - POM
Dimensions- 274ml capacity, Installation height: 170mm, Diameter: 60mm got different answers on what this is in inches?

Reservoir #2 Bitspower Water Tank Z-Multi 250 - POM
Dimensions- 471ml capacity, Installation height: 270mm, Diameter: 60mm not sure inches also.

Both Look like this just different lengths:

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Heres a diagram showing what i have to work with. This is where i need help setting up the loop with the second res and angle fittings:I have 12 inches between top rad fans and bottom rad fans to work with,so space looks like it may be an issue with the large res i want.

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And heres how it was setup before to give you more of an idea:

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Heres the fitting i was going to order to use with it: but not sure?

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Please help me with this guys.I need some help from some people with alot of water cooling experience .
Do i need both feeds going into the bottom? or can i have one going in the top and 1 from the bottom.
Please tell me how you would set this up if you were doing it.I really need to get the parts ordered so i can drill all the whols and then take everything out and paint the case.

I will Highly Appreciate any help i get. Thanks MybadOmen.

If more info is needed i will get it for you.
Edited by mybadomen - 12/19/11 at 12:23pm
   
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My opinion but not sure if it would work is feeding the 2nd res from the bottom. but not sure if that's possible or a good idea?

Theory would be it would fill from the bottom being pushed from my other pump/res combo and the go right into the ram block from the top just like its set up now.Sorta like a bigger inline hose.I theory it seems it would work.But i dont have the experience to know better.

My Theory Drawn Out:

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Edited by mybadomen - 12/19/11 at 12:36pm
   
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Ok heres everything i just ordered i figured this would give me the most options and is a highly rated Reservoir.It was more expensive but i figured its better then shipping it back and forth.I also grabbed a couple new fitting to give me more options.

Heres what i got to work with now:
EK-MultiOption RES X2 - 250 Advanced - Liquid Cooling Reservoir (8 Total Ports) 10" Long

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450

And the new Fittings i ordered:
90 degree ones i got 2
450
450

Regular ones i got one(I will have another from wherever i switched the 90degree to)
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I still could use help guys.PLEASE.
   
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Putting more stress on the pump...flow rate will drop. Out from bay res/pump to 2nd res input. (In through the bottom and out the bottom) That would work but not worth it imo.
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My opinion but not sure if it would work is feeding the 2nd res from the bottom. but not sure if that's possible or a good idea?
Never, never, never pump into a reservoir, especially from the bottom. There is a massive pressure/flow loss doing so. You can pump into a res from the top, only if it has a tube that goes below the water line. It's still not advisable though.
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I still could use help guys.PLEASE.
No offense, but did you really bump your own thread within a minute of your last post?
 
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Never, never, never pump into a reservoir, especially from the bottom. There is a massive pressure/flow loss doing so. You can pump into a res from the top, only if it has a tube that goes below the water line. It's still not advisable though.
No offense, but did you really bump your own thread within a minute of your last post?

what do you mean bump my thread? No i didnt bump anything.But besids that your saying i should have the res feeding into the other res?
ok my loop starts like this.
water is in the first res with the pump (water before pump i imagine or pump would burn up)

so if theres already water before the pump why would it matter if it was pumping into a hose or through tubing?Also dont it take more preasure to go through waterblock then a tube?I removed 1 6970 so theres less restraint there now.I am very concerned after your post can you please explain.

What confuses me is that if you look at my loop now and many others its my pump is feeding up to my memory block then through my cpu block then up again to my 360 rad and then down to the video card block and down to the 2nd rad the 240.So it really confuses me why running up through a res or even down the res is going to bother anything.I would think running both through the bottom could cause a problem though.Do to the fact i already have a res in my loop that is the fill point.Everything is already bought now and i have seen rigs with 1 pump and more then 1 res when i was just researching this and they show the second res full to the top with fluid which suggests they have there main res before the pump and the second after being filled from the bottom.All i can do at this point is try it or wait on some more comments.
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Ok i just found something very strange that shows pumping a second Reservoir through the bottom should be fine i know i can posy links to the site but i will post the info of what it says.It kinda goes against Physics how it actually works.So after reading this i am still pretty sure i can fill the res from the bottom.(Remeber this is a second res so there is already fluid before the pump.Actually the pump is submerged in the fluid and it pumps 750l an hour..Taje a look at this unless im reading it wrong its actually better to fill a res from the bottom then the top.

"This is all a quote from another article" concept should be the same."

At first thought, one may think it’s better to fill an overhead tank, as is common practice, from an inlet provided at top. Water falling freely into tank, seems easier than water entering the tank from bottom, against the weight of rising water inside the tank (And you know that each liter of water weigh exactly one kg). Right? No, it’s wrong. Let us see how!
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Let us consider, for simplicity, an overhead tank with prismatic cross section (uniform cross section over full height) with two inlets: one at floor level (1) and another at the top (2) as shown in above figure. Water from the pump reaches upto bifurcation point and we can choose to let it flow though either of the branches. Whichever way takes least effort or time, will be the best of the two.

Let the flow in pump be steady without any fluctuations. Suppose, the difference in height between the two inlets is ‘h’, the steady discharge of pump be ‘Q’ and the specific weight of water is ‘γ’.

While passing the top inlet (‘2’), water has to be pumped against a constant static head of ‘h’, till the tank is full. The work done per second by the pump in pumping water beyond bifurcation point is given by ‘γQh’.

On the otherhand, while flowing through lower inlet (‘1’), water has to be pumped against a variable head of water, varying from ‘zero’ to ‘h’ as the water rises in the tank. Thus, the average static head of water, the pump had to work against, in pumping beyond bifurcation point, is only ‘h/2’ (average of ‘0’ and ‘h’). The work done here is given by ‘γQh /2’.

That’s it. Filling the tank through bottom inlet takes only half as much effort as filling through top inlet, for steady pumping! However, without going analytic, one can hardly believe it. This psychological feeling contrary to the fact actually stems from the illusion that more water in tank is an obstruction to flowing water while one almost forgets the presence of water in the pipe branch leading to top inlet. And you know, it is the column of water that matters not the volume of water. Clearly, it is another manifestation of Hydro-static Paradox!

The time required to fill a tank equals the volume of tank divided by the steady rate of discharge. So, the time required is same in both cases but it is economical and hence, the BEST – TO FILL an overhead tank from the BOTTOM NOT THE TOP!

So does this mean mt theory is correct?The pump would actually get less strain filling from the bottom? I have been researching this for a weak now and it seems thats the case.But like i said i will be putting it to the test and if worse comes to worse comes to worse i will be adding a second pump somewere in the line .I really want it filled through the bottom so the tube is always completely full of fluid.

I would love to heare some comments on this matter please reply if you know anything about this.I realize it don't make sense logically but it seems its easier on the pump from the bottom.That would be awesome in my case.So please add input.
   
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Your over thinking this my friend.

The second res will has NO EFFECT on the operation of your loop if you do just as you illustrated and fill it from the bottom and use the top outlet as the supply to the rest of the system.

What will be imperative here is that there is no air in the second res at all. The pressure loss mentioned above would only be present if there was air ( which compresses while water does not ) present in the res.

You can plumb it just the way you asked without worry. Just make sure that no air can become trapped in the second res.

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Your over thinking this my friend.
The second res will has NO EFFECT on the operation of your loop if you do just as you illustrated and fill it from the bottom and use the top outlet as the supply to the rest of the system.
What will be imperative here is that there is no air in the second res at all. The pressure loss mentioned above would only be present if there was air ( which compresses while water does not ) present in the res.
You can plumb it just the way you asked without worry. Just make sure that no air can become trapped in the second res.
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cool thank you i am going to try it from the bottom i have seen other rigs done the same way if it don't work i will change it.
   
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