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I once saw a 990x at 5.5. The guy was running on 1.9 volts. On air or water. Temps were at 90C idle. I don't think that chip lasted long.

Yikes - the highest I ever went was 1.66 on water on my first 3930K to see if I could get past a wall at 5.22, It's been folding 24/7 at 1.49 since though I think it's degrading slowly. Good job I got the extra OCing warranty smile.gif I get scared as soon as I get close to 1.6 lol
     
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I once saw a 990x at 5.5. The guy was running on 1.9 volts. On air or water. Temps were at 90C idle. I don't think that chip lasted long.
That idiot...
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Software OC'ing? Lolwut.
I booted into this. Bigadv stable though? Probably not tongue.gif

Faster was able to get his 990s up to 5.2GHz on water for 24/7... maybe you have a chip that epic!
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What kind of voltage did he have?

And... *chips wink.gif
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So as some of you may know I'm working on a CPU Waterblock Roundup Review, I'm completed 3/15 of the blocks and have been writing up the data and test results. There's tons of data and lots of different ways to present it.

Some useful information about my test:-
- I'm using Indigo Xtreme so as to take out the mount variation factor.
- 3930K/R4E @ 4.8GHz, 1.45VCore
- 8K Prime run for an hour (like Martin would do), data is an average of the last 20 minutes

What I'd like to know is how do you want the results presented in the conclusion? I will probably plot all of these anyway somewhere in the review but I wanted to choose one for those interested in a quick summary.

1. 20 min Average of [Average Core Temperature - Water In Temperature] at fixed pump power
- this is how Martin did it, it looks purely at the waterblock performance by ignoring any radiator/pump effects as flow varies

2. 20 min Average of [Max Core Temperature - Water in Temperature] at fixed pump power
- this takes into account core to core variation - some blocks have much more significant core-to-core variation. When I overclock generally I'm looking at my maximum core temperature, not the average. This seems more useful in terms of day-to-day use of a block

3. 20 min Average of [Average Core Temperature - Air In Temperature] at fixed pump power
- this gives an example of how your loop may perform in real life as it looks at air temperature rather than water. This means that changes in flow that affect water temperature due to the pump or radiator will also be included.

4. 20 min Average of [Max Core Temperature - Air In Temperature] at fixed pump power
- this gives an example of how your overclocking may be affected by a block - it takes into account effects of pump/radiators and looks at the max core temp because that's often the biggest concern. To me this is the most practical measure of "real" performance

5. 20 min Average of [Average Core Temperature - Water In Temperature] at varying pump powers
- this shows how each block truly performs at different flow rates but must be combined with a secondary plot showing restriction in order to be useful.

Number 4 seems to be the most useful in terms of "what do these blocks mean to my loop", while number 1 or 5 seem to give the most accurate indication of raw block performance but the data .

Thoughts? What would you base the conclusion off of?
     
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Speaking purely for myself, I'm of the opinion that the temp sensors on the cores of the 3930K are suspect. Isn't it defying physics when you have a core at 70C and a core at 59C when they are mere nanometers away from each other ?

I'll defer to the WC experts here on which option would be best, but I'd ask that the average of the cores be used as opposed to max, unless of course what I said above proves to be false.

And once again, thank you.
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If I were to see only one graph, I'd take the number 5 thumb.gif
Does "fixed pump speed" mean that you only show one measurement point like pump @12V? And variable pump speed means that you take many measurement points like 12, 10, 8 and 6 volts and present them as a curve?
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Speaking purely for myself, I'm of the opinion that the temp sensors on the cores of the 3930K are suspect. Isn't it defying physics when you have a core at 70C and a core at 59C when they are mere nanometers away from each other ?
I'll defer to the WC experts here on which option would be best, but I'd ask that the average of the cores be used as opposed to max, unless of course what I said above proves to be false.
And once again, thank you.

That's a good point - though I have seen some interesting data - for example the rasa block had 20C average core to core variation while the Supreme HF had ~12C, both were mounted with Indigo Xtreme and the mount looked good for both. Even if they had the same average core temperature wouldn't you rather have less spread?
     
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If I were to see only one graph, I'd take the number 5 thumb.gif
Does "fixed pump speed" mean that you only show one measurement point like pump @12V? And variable pump speed means that you take many measurement points like 12, 10, 8 and 6 volts and present them as a curve?

Yes I'd show pretty much all the different plots varying flow somewhere, but for those that want a 2 minute summary is a single fixed point with the pump at a particular power setting good?
     
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If I were to see only one graph, I'd take the number 5 thumb.gif
Does "fixed pump speed" mean that you only show one measurement point like pump @12V? And variable pump speed means that you take many measurement points like 12, 10, 8 and 6 volts and present them as a curve?
Yes I'd show pretty much all the different plots varying flow somewhere, but for those that want a 2 minute summary is a single fixed point with the pump at a particular power setting good?
But is there a possibility that "Block Ö" loses to "block Å" at 7V, but block Å wins when the flow gets higher? If that could happen, then a single point wouldn't be good me thinks.
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