Originally Posted by lukeluke
I think if you want two fully water cooled builds then that is too complicated to have in one case, and that when you have an extended top or pedestal the TX would definitely be out of hand.
But looking at my TH, and imagining if it was a TX with no pedestal, it feels like it would be only slightly different in size: maybe four inches wider and deeper, and eight inches higher. So moving that should be no problem. In return instead of just a power supply and cords on one side, you have a whole other motherboard, and you have more flex-bays which are, naturally, more flexible than the HDD mounts.
The challenge with water cooling is you need a lot of surface area but you don't actually need all the internal room, so I can see how filling the space with a second motherboard makes sense--*as long as* that second build isn't equally elaborate with a whole bunch of dependencies.
For my purposes, I could see it working: One side would have all the water cooling, including a 140.9 Mo.ra (easier to hook up than 3-4 rads in the TH), so you're using the larger footprint of a double case to provide easier water-cooling for one.
Additionally, I'd ideally run a Windows machine with tons of GPUs but few HDDs, and then a Linux machine with tons of HDDs but no GPUs. So each is lopsided in a way that requires some of a big case but not all of one. So it could kind of balance out in a TX.
The 2nd side would need to be simple, though. It could even just be sort of a staging area allowing me to mess around with little computer parts, but often unused. Being right next to each other makes it easy to switch the HDMI cables if I wanted to use the 2nd build's desktop instead of SSHing in, and to connect a crossover ethernet cable.
Then again, like you said, to work on the watercooled build you'd have to take the NAS offline, and if some crazy disaster happened it'd take out both builds. So I guess on balance I'd be better off accommodating 10+ HDDs for a NAS in a second smaller Caselabs case, which should be doable and for not much more money at all than a TX10. I'm not inclined to buy a RAID card so it's not like it would be 20 drives anyway.
The background on this is I bought a Harbinger Red Cross desk a while back and immediately realized it was the opposite of modular, made it impossible to do one of the coolest things about computers--how everything is standardized and plug-and-play and you can just slap in new parts--and how it's not cool to have a computer that would be impossible to move to a different house when I move. So I sold it on craigslist. So I totally know what you're saying and don't want to be saddled with some albatross that is a ridiculous burden in later years if my priorities change.
(Additionally, the desk would have been real expensive because you needed crazy workarounds for everything like longer cables, and it made simple tasks a pain.)
I was just imagining the TX being so unwieldy before I got the TH, but after seeing the TH in person and seeing how it's just a few extra inches, it doesn't seem that way. I think my impression was shaped by seeing you all's pictures with the pedestals. Then again I still have never seen a TX in person so if you guys are telling me that even without the pedestal, it's unwieldy and overly complicated, then I take your word for it.
In fact that's what I wanted to hear because it keeps me from second-guessing my purchase, which I can't do anything about anyway (and by no means am I unhappy with the TH!).
As close in size as the non-pedestaled TX seems to be to the TH, I definitely see how having multiple more reasonable-sized builds is easier, you can sell them individually, put them in different rooms, etc.