Originally Posted by Denim-187
Originally Posted by prava
Do you even know how to read, seriously? Where in my post did I talk about anything else than the 7970 or the GTX580? And I'm deffinitely not ignorant at all. The benchmarks we have seen show a flop of a card, and you better understand what this tech jump means (from 40nm to 28nm) because you deffinitely have no clue.
From a HD4870 to a HD5870 we saw a performance increase of a 60-80% depending on the test whereas power consumption was reduced. And we went from 55nm to 40nm. The card we are talking about is the 7970....which comparing the jump we had then and the one we had now then yes, its OBJECTIVELY a flop. The performance/power-consumption ratio has poorly improved for what was exepcted of it.
Is it remarkable that the 7970 beats the GTX580 by such small margin? Are you kidding me? The next high-end single-card has ALWAYS beaten the last one, and normally by a bigger margin. This 7970 having such small increase in performance/power-consumption better mean that those 28nm need to be fine-tuned because, otherwise, there won't be much of a point to fully upgrade this round.
Maybe you can make a better card..... let us know when its done.
My post was about fanboys in general, not what you said.
The card cannot be a flop, it trumped the 580, this means all cards below it flop as well
I can understand that its not the first time that there has been a die shrink and bigger improvements, but it is the first time they've used 28nm.
Just like the 5870 had a refresh (6970) So will the 7970...
DONT COMPARE THE CARD TO THE 580.......COMPARE IT TO THE 6970 ! and then say it flopped.
Seriously if its not a fanboy, its an extremist critic
You don't seem to understand the whole picture. The basic indicator for any generation is the performance/powerconsumption ratio and for most generations it has been pretty much even for ATI and NVIDIA.
So, the fact that we have increased only a 40% this time deeply disappoints me because, like I said, last time we had such jump (HD4870 vs HD5870) we reached something like a 60-70%.
And don't get me wrong, NVIDIA even did it worst with its first iteration of Fermi, but the overall increase was much better then that It seems to be now; and in the end its that ratio the one that counts for one reason only: we are limited by power. And because of that, because we are stuck at 300W, the higher that ratio gets the better the cards will be.
Also, why should I compare the 7970 to a 6970? Still, the fact remains the same, the increase in perf/power is poor, and I just hope this is caused by the low quality yields because if its not then....too bad.