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Just performance ballparks, not really direct card recommendations. Also wanted to keep it to relatively up to date cards as GTX 460 1gb stock may be depleted by the time he buys his system.

Quite opposite, there will be a lot of used GTX 460 in the market as HD7000 series and Kepler makes their way into the market.
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The 6790s are low-end cards, unimpressive.
To overclock the FX-4100 it will cost more for the motherboard and probably a cooler, in which case the Intel platform could afford an i5 for a similar price. No degree of overclocking will make the FX-4100 catch up to the i5.

Fail.

I noted that it could more than likely get 4.2ghz on the stock cooling. (I built one that does this fine.) Not to mention a good HSF usually lasts through 3-4 builds, thus amortizing the cost across multiple builds. (if its good for 3 builds a $30 HSF would effectively cost 10$)

Not to mention I personally never run a processor with stock cooling. Ever. So, I would be getting a HSF regardless.
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Quite opposite, there will be a lot of used GTX 460 in the market as HD7000 series and Kepler makes their way into the market.

If your building a new system, I would assume you would get a NEW card or use your previous one. Id rather not test used gear, especially when its a product known to have been massively overclocked. Also known to fail at stupid high clocks due to having a crappy "mid range" VRM even when it should have had 1-2 more phases on the reference card.

This is why I went with a reference GTX 465. It had an overkill VRM, possibility to unlock (which it did), etc.
Edited by KarathKasun - 12/23/11 at 5:30pm
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If your building a new system, I would assume you would get a NEW card or use your previous one. Id rather not test used gear, especially when its a product known to have been massively overclocked. Also known to fail at stupid high clocks due to having a crappy "mid range" VRM even when it should have had 1-2 more phases on the reference card.

That's you then. I used a lot of pre-owned product, and as long as you study beforehand you should have no problem. When it comes to reference design Nvida one does not necessary mean better PCB. I know AMD reference design tends to have better PCB since they begin to use digital VRM on their high end product.
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Fail.
I noted that it could more than likely get 4.2ghz on the stock cooling. (I built one that does this fine.) Not to mention a good HSF usually lasts through 3-4 builds, thus amortizing the cost across multiple builds. (if its good for 3 builds a $30 HSF would effectively cost 10$)
Not to mention I personally never run a processor with stock cooling. Ever. So, I would be getting a HSF regardless.
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Quite opposite, there will be a lot of used GTX 460 in the market as HD7000 series and Kepler makes their way into the market.
If your building a new system, I would assume you would get a NEW card or use your previous one. Id rather not test used gear, especially when its a product known to have been massively overclocked. Also known to fail at stupid high clocks due to having a crappy "mid range" VRM even when it should have had 1-2 more phases on the reference card.
At 4.2 Ghz the FX-4100 will still be slower than the i3-21xx.

The cost of FX-4100 ($120) with the motherboard you recommended ($90) is roughly $210 or $240 including a cooler.

The cost of i5-2310 ($180) with H61 ($50) will be almost the same.

i5 >>>>> FX-4100 in everything.
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Umm, You can put two HD 6790's / GTX 550 Ti's together in a BD system and get good performance.
And the FX-4100 is miles ahead of the i3 alternative. Seeing as the i3 is not overclockable to any significant degree, and the FX-4100 can do 4.2Ghz on the crap stock cooler. Put $25 into an ok 120mm HSF and it will hit ~4.6ghz almost guaranteed.
FX-4100 vs Ph II 960T is a bit blurrier, as there is the prospect of unlocking. Also assuming 960T is still available in a few months.

Even the 8120 bottlenecks two high-end GPUs and it's been proven over and over. The FX-4100 is much worse.
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Even the 8120 bottlenecks two high-end GPUs and it's been proven over and over. The FX-4100 is much worse.

Bulldozer is still slower then first gen i7's and is utter crap for dual cards. I got my i7 mobo and ram for $285 on ebay. Its faster then any AMD system even if they are overclocked. I get perfect scaling on multicards.

OP don't waste your money go intel. Or wait for piledriver and windows 8 to fix some of the bulldozer problems.
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BD is far behind the original i7s except from multithreading, where only the top models are on par. Take a look at gaming benchmarks etc, they all show the same.
BD doesn't really compare.
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He wants to game. We're simply telling him what the best choice is for gaming.

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As you see, these games are CPU bound and shows BD's real performance.
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Excepting the fact that the FX-8xxx series totally demolishes the i5-2300 In so many tasks its not funny, not to mention with a modest OC is comes close in many games. Or the fact that in things other than games it will be much faster.

Which means that if you want an XBOX replacement, that is non upgradeable... yes i5-2300 isnt bad. If you do other things... It is a horrible choice. Hell, in many things the FX-8150 and FX-8120 totally outpace the i5 2300 for not much more (in the case of the FX-8120). And that is at stock speeds. At 4Ghz it would demolish the i5-2300 making the i5-2300 a poor choice for general computing. At a similar price, the FX-8120 is miles better than either of them.

At $45 more, the FX-8120 is a better deal. It will run 4Ghz with stock cooling, a far cry from the 3.1Ghz stock speed.
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Lawl, not sure what this guy is on about. For the price of a 8120 you can get a 2500k, which again completely demolishes anything from AMD.
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