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Alright, looks like the i3 is taking the cake. Found a combo with some PNY Optima ram, would there be a huge difference between the Patriot at 1600 and the Optima at 1333? There's a $10 difference there.
Upgrades kind of come in spurts. Future proofing for a bit extra is always a nice buffer in case he finds some game that requires it. Only reason I haven't made the jump to a 2500k is that what I've got now plays everything I've got just fine.

Grab the patriot ram I posted. Much better deal.
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Alright, looks like the i3 is taking the cake. Found a combo with some PNY Optima ram, would there be a huge difference between the Patriot at 1600 and the Optima at 1333? There's a $10 difference there.
Upgrades kind of come in spurts. Future proofing for a bit extra is always a nice buffer in case he finds some game that requires it. Only reason I haven't made the jump to a 2500k is that what I've got now plays everything I've got just fine.

It's also a quad. Hyperthreading means almost nothing in games, few and far between even mess with it. I'm not saying i3 is bad for gaming, because its great....at the moment. I'm also just saying, it wont have as much of a lifespan as just spending a couple more bucks to get the i5 version. I'm sure also, by the time he does want to get around to upgrading the processor...all he's going to have to choose from is used CPU's anyways. In which they may not sit well with him, even then he's going to be paying 150+ for a used 2500k even over a year from now (likely longer). Meanwhile you're sitting on a sweet board doing absolutely nothing but giving you a fuzzy feeling of upgradability.

I'm just sayin, just trying to make you think a little bit, but hey the i3 is good, enjoy smile.gif


http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=52067&vpn=HDT90ZFBGRBOX&manufacture=AMD

could use that processor as well in the amd build above posted, still be under budget and have a really nice setup thumb.gif
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I didn't put it in a Z68 overclocking board that would provide no benefit once so ever either thumb.gif
Why set him up for future upgrades on a budget when he obviously hasnt upgraded in forever? By the time this guy gets around to upgrade, he'll be upgrading to next gen budget items more than likely. So why gimp him putting in a dual core when he can get a quad sandy bridge? Just so he has overclocking and upgrade potential he'll likely never get around to using? doh.gif
The i3 is good, but that setup is a waste of cash that could be better spent just buying a more solid system for just his needs. Yeah, this is OCN but not everyone is worried about crazy upgrades and yadda yadda, they just want something that just works
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It's also a quad. Hyperthreading means almost nothing in games, few and far between even mess with it. I'm not saying i3 is bad for gaming, because its great....at the moment. I'm also just saying, it wont have as much of a lifespan as just spending a couple more bucks to get the i5 version. I'm sure also, by the time he does want to get around to upgrading the processor...all he's going to have to choose from is used CPU's anyways. In which they may not sit well with him, even then he's going to be paying 150+ for a used 2500k even over a year from now. Meanwhile you're sitting on a sweet board doing absolutely nothing but giving you a fuzzy feeling of upgradability.
I'm just sayin, just trying to make you think a little bit, but hey the i3 is good, enjoy smile.gif

Completely understandable, and I definitely appreciate the consideration! I think most of the "I want new" mindset is just my mother being a mother. Also it's a bit of a jump across platforms instead of just buying one piece used. I may have even worded it funny when I gave her the options. If for some reason the i3 doesn't live up to his needs, I doubt there'd be any issue getting a used 2500k in the next few weeks even. But this way, he doesn't have some beefy $220 (Or $160 from Facebook!) processor that'll sit there laughing at him playing WoW and D3. A used 2500k a year or two down the road would still be good enough, he doesn't get the latest and greatest make-your-rig-cry games.
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It's also a quad. Hyperthreading means almost nothing in games, few and far between even mess with it. I'm not saying i3 is bad for gaming, because its great....at the moment. I'm also just saying, it wont have as much of a lifespan as just spending a couple more bucks to get the i5 version. I'm sure also, by the time he does want to get around to upgrading the processor...all he's going to have to choose from is used CPU's anyways. In which they may not sit well with him, even then he's going to be paying 150+ for a used 2500k even over a year from now (likely longer). Meanwhile you're sitting on a sweet board doing absolutely nothing but giving you a fuzzy feeling of upgradability.
I'm just sayin, just trying to make you think a little bit, but hey the i3 is good, enjoy smile.gif

The i3 that I linked and the i5 you linked will run games with the same performance results. They are virtually the same frequency i3 3.3 and i5 3.4 turbo. So you are saying spend more on the i5 and spend less on a motherboard? Which will result in getting a lower quality motherboard, less future oc capabilities, no future proofing, supporting slow ram, and the same price in the end? rolleyes.gif
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So that i3 would perform better than a 955 Black? They're about the same price.

yes it would..most definitely yessir.gif
 
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The i3 that I linked and the i5 you linked will run games with the same performance results. They are virtually the same frequency i3 3.3 and i5 3.4 turbo. So you are saying spend more on the i5 and spend less on a motherboard? Which will result in getting a lower quality motherboard, less future oc capabilities, no future proofing, supporting slow ram, and the same price in the end? rolleyes.gif

No, they wont have the same performance. For the extra 25 bucks, I'd say its pretty well worth it.

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/363?vs=289
    
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personally i'd go with an h61 mobo..and pentium G850.cheaper..and will do it all...it'd be a LOT faster than that 775 build..that's for sure
 
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No, they wont have the same performance. For the extra 25 bucks, I'd say its pretty well worth it.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/363?vs=289

Of course the i5 is going to win in synthetic benchmarks.... but not in real world gaming. i3 and i5 are head to to head in crysis...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graphics-performance,3063-13.html first chart for BF3.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/sandy-bridge-core-i7-2600k-core-i5-2500k,2833-18.html

for 1080p and above

You're saying that i5 2400, h61, gskill 1333 cas 9 ram for 300

is a better deal than i3 2120, asrock z68, patriot ddr3 1600 for 300 doh.gif
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Personally, if I wanted a cheap quad I'd go with AMD but where-as he plays a lot of top downs and most of them use threads lightly and like better IPC, I'd go i3 or i5.
It may require 50-100$ more in his budget, but I'd push for an unlocked i5 and a half decent mobo.
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Of course the i5 is going to win in synthetic benchmarks.... but not in real world gaming. i3 and i5 are head to to head in crysis...http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/battlefield-3-graphics-performance,3063-13.html first chart for BF3
You're saying that i5 2400, h61, gskill 1333 cas 9 ram for 300
is a better deal than i3 2120, asrock z68, patriot ddr3 1600 for 300 doh.gif

Yeah, that's just those 2 games. You could tell that from the chart I even linked and I highly doubt he's playing those games anyways. Crysis was literally the only game they performed neck to neck in and hardly means anything when there was 10 other games posted on the comparison I gave you that showed rather significant gains across the board.

Don't take it personal, I'm not saying what you have listed is a bad setup because personally, I want that board. All I'm saying, if it was me and knowing I wasn't looking to upgrade anywhere in the next couple of years or bothering with OCing, the i5 combo I chose would be mychoice as you wouldn't even need to bother to upgrade later...its a one shot deal. It'll provide good performance now and continue to provide good performance for years to come without worry about the dual core lacking performance compared to the quad in many games..You'd also see fewer FPS drops with a quad in heavy graphical situations (especially in MMO's where there's 100's of people in towns, etc). As for ram, you'd literally not see any difference, the i5 would outshine the i3 in pretty much every game. He mentioned "Blizzard" games, so I can only assume WoW and the like, which is more CPU intensive than GPU when it comes to 25 main raids and in towns, etc. You see it out perform in this game in the chart very clearly.
    
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